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Offline MANDOBLE

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« on: February 22, 2002, 05:08:22 AM »
Agree Minus, probably the best armoured car of the war.

It seems only the type "2" was nicknamed "Puma" with a 50mm gun.

All types able to 80km/h road speed and with up to 30mm armour.

234/1 with 20mm gun
234/2 with 50mm gun
234/3 with 75mm short barrel gun
234/4 with 75mm gun (pak 40)

Sdkfz 234 info:

http://www.forces70.freeserve.co.uk/Waffen%20SS%20Text+Images/armoured_car.htm

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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2002, 05:48:58 AM »
thxxx mandoble

like to ask HTC how about this  armored car ?? the 8 whel and 50 caliber

the FM can be derivated from M8

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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2002, 06:27:33 AM »
Doesn't carry enough HE.
Give me a 234/1 for antipersonnel duty.
And the gun on the 234 is enough to defeat any other armoured car or halftrack.  
Sorry I've been playing too much Combat Mission.  :)

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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2002, 07:14:43 AM »
234/3 carry about 50 75mm rounds.

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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2002, 08:03:27 AM »
When are we going to get some indirect fire platforms ? Preferably mortars first .

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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2002, 10:08:04 AM »
I WANNA FIND MY CLOSE COMBAT 3 CD AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2002, 02:07:07 PM »
I meant Puma, Mandoble.  :)
234/3 are great with HE.  I love to blow up Dinger's buildings with them.  :)

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« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2002, 10:23:57 AM »
funked do you make it your duty to reduce the effectiveness of anything axis by claiming the slower or weaker or earlier are much more important??

why on earth would we want a 20mm puma when we can have  a 75mm pak in it???

It seems to me that everytime people ask for something axis:

ie a bomber , or a twin engined jabo we get a 1939 or 1940 design. or at the total other end of the scale we get their best weapons but they are among the most expensive perk rides in the game.

If i like to fly allied stuff i have these choices:

bombing: lancs/b17s/b26 (ord from 4000 to 14000lbs)
jabo:P47 (3400lbs+3000 rds of 50cals) p38/p51/typhoon

we have:

bombing: ju88/arado 6000lb/3000lb
jabo: 190f8/a8 (1400lbs max) (and no special armour which was the whole point of the f8 right??)


now admittedly the Allies need a MED tank long before the axis need a puma but when we do get a puma 50mm should be the absolute minimum or it will be useless in AH.
when the allied players ask for a sherman Im all for it, I dont try to say the best sherman for AH is some useless early version with a pea shooter on it.I question your motives here. :D

Axis planesets are great but they dont help in this AH setup hardly at all. Fighter to fighter we are fine now we have the dora,ta,me262 but before them we had a long period of inferiority to the p51d remember. I know during the war axis struggled from 1943 onwards but FFS I dont want to pay money to play a game where Im contantly handicapped in what i choose to fly because some dodgy fuel or whatever was used in WW2.
This is NOTHING like WW2.We should all have modelled  perfectly machined parts,perfect ammo,perfect fuel,perfect weather!! lol

I guess you can see its beginning to 'get right on my tits!' :) lol

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« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2002, 03:37:53 PM »
The Puma and the 234/3 are the sweet spot. The Puma can deal with medium tanks if it can get arround them. The 234/3 can deal with the vh and the ack..
Both get to a base very quickly from the spawn point and both move quick enough to be tougher to hit.

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« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2002, 06:34:13 PM »
Hazed I'm talking about another game, Combat Mission.  Sorry for the confusion.  I don't use GVs in AH and don't expect to ever do so unless there are some big changes.

Here is what I mean in terms of Combat Mission and probably real life too:
Puma is nice if you might encounter tanks.
But if there are no tanks then the 234/1 is better because you can really chew up grunts with that auto-cannon, and it can defeat armor of most armored cars and APCs.  And even if there are tanks, it's not wise to go toe-to-toe with them in a Puma because you are usually outgunned and outarmored, so you will keep it hidden.  And Puma doesn't have the HE ammo load or rate of fire to really chew up troops, and the gun is not quite big enough to bring down buildings easily.  So Puma is not very useful except as an ambush vehicle against other AFVs, or as an emergency anti-tank weapon.  Whereas the 234/1 (with better HE load and rate of fire) can be used as an assault vehicle against troops and can still take on light armor.  234/3 does not have the rate of fire or turret traverse of the 234/1 so it's not as useful at short range.  But the 75 mm gun is excellent against buildings, houses, bunkers, and concentrations of troops, as long as your keep back far enough that the lack or turret traverse is not a problem.

But that's Combat Mission...
In AH with ridiculously long engagement ranges, strange armor model, lack of ground cover, and general absence of a realistic ground combat, I'm sure the biggest gun will rule, so Puma or /3 would probably be "better".  But for fighting with terrain features, cover, realistic armor models, and lots of grunts, I want a 234/1.

As far as my duty against axis equipment...  I have done a long campaign first to get the Fw 190F-8 and then to get the rockets and other ground attack options.  I started a thread asking for Ju 88C and other Ju 88 variants, as well as asking for the Ki-102 and Ki-44 repeatedly.  Not just requests, but small articles with photos I scanned.  I'm not obsessed with the equipment of any one particular country in WWII.  I'm interested in all of them and I have spent money and time and travelled hundreds of miles to do research on WWII aircraft from USA, Germany, Japan, and Britain.  I've got something like 100 books on WWII airplanes and all the major combatants.  If I'm biased against anybody it's the minor combatants like Italy and France, because I don't have much knowledge or many books on their aircraft.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2002, 02:28:54 AM by funkedup »

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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2002, 07:40:21 AM »
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Sorry I've been playing too much Combat Mission.
wtg! :D

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why on earth would we want a 20mm puma when we can have a 75mm pak in it???

Actually PSW-234/1 arrived later than PSW-234/2 Puma. PSW-234/4(75L48 PaK) isn't so fancy because 1. it has no turret. 2. It has very limited ammo load.

I would take 234/1 anytime over Puma or 234/4 as armored car. It's has way better ROF with it's 2cm L55 autocannon -> It easily wins duels against enemy armored cars and halftracks. It has speed to keep out of reach of enemy armor. Ofcourse Pumas 50L60 gun is fun for puncturing sherman armor(with hartkern ammunition), but i would much rather take PzKpfw IVh for that role. Main reason why i don't think Puma is so great is higher rof of Allied armored cars like Greyhound(37mm) and Daimler(2lb gun, IMO one of best armored cars in ww2). They will eat pumas alive...but not 234/1.
Btw. 234/1s 2cmL55 can be operated as Flak too:)

Schwere Panzerspähwagen (2cm) Sd.Kfz.234/1 (8-Rad)


Schwere Panzersähwagen (5cm) Sd.Kfz.234/2 Puma


[edit]well Puma actually looks really sweet. is that good criteria??:)[/edit]
« Last Edit: February 24, 2002, 07:54:59 AM by illo »

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« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2002, 07:53:06 AM »
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As far as my duty against axis equipment... I have done a long campaign first to get the Fw 190F-8 and then to get the rockets and other ground attack options. I started a thread asking for Ju 88C and other Ju 88 variants, as well as asking for the Ki-102 and Ki-44 repeatedly. Not just requests, but small articles with photos I scanned. I'm not obsessed with the equipment of any one particular country in WWII. I'm interested in all of them and I have spent money and time and travelled hundreds of miles to do research on WWII aircraft from USA, Germany, Japan, and Britain. I've got something like 100 books on WWII airplanes and all the major combatants. If I'm biased against anybody it's the minor combatants like Italy and France, because I don't have much knowledge or many books on their aircraft.

Good attitude methinks...

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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2002, 12:24:20 PM »
I think in AH PSW-234/3 (75L24) would be most useful. It can deal with medium tanks even frontally by using Hollow Charge rounds(+compared to Puma). It can waste acks and HTs with HE from safe distance. And it has decent ammoload(major + compared to /4)
« Last Edit: February 24, 2002, 12:38:29 PM by illo »

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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2002, 01:34:16 PM »
can i ask HTC crew  for the opinion about the modeling this vehicle in AH?

is it realy original addon what will divert the choice for later coming vehicles and tanks

plzz

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