CENSURE certain squad name ?

[texace]

I don't understand what all the fuss is about. It doesn't matter who names their squad what. What's past is past, and let it be. If someone want's to name their squad "Jew Killers", that is a little extreme, and I know no one would approve. But if someone names their squad after a historic squad, that's a good thing, because it's sorta like keeping the history alive, no matter what the squad's name is. None of our generation pays any respect to those who fought is war, living or dead, and I like seeing historic squads in these virtual WWII sims. It doesn't matter what the name is. It might mean that someone is paying respect to those who died in combat. That's what I'd do.

Aaron "texace" Giles
the only 15 year old in the
>>457th BG (H) "Fait Accompli)<<

[StSanta]

Actually, the Nazi's do not hold the record. The Soviets got them beat with an estimated 20 million killed by the infamous purges and "restructuring". Of their own people even, but hey, they were allieds and who cares about commies anyway?

I say ban all Russian aircraft. And all Russians ;D

If there ever comes along a squad with a name I find particularly offensive, I'll hunt it every time I log on. I believe there are several of us who would and in the end, the dweebs would get tired of being gangbanged  .

In other words; they have the freedom to call themselves what they want, I have the freedom of reacting to it  

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StSanta
II/JG2
 

[This message has been edited by StSanta (edited 07-05-2000).]

[Fishu]

Lets just forget all the history and say that nazis are bad, nothing else, because it seems to hurt too many to talk about it.

..then after we forget that, lets prepare for the next hitlers coming.

If we forget the things, how do we know what to be afraid of?

[Kats]

 

The Nazi's hold the record I believe, 5 million or so

Small potatoes compared to Stalin & the red army.

 

Just inside the east German border with Poland, the town of Nemmersdorf was the first to fall into the hands of the victorious Red Army. Overrun by
General Gatlitsky's 11th Guards Army, his soldiers set about raping, looting and killing with such ferocity that eventually discipline had to be
restored to force the soldiers back to fighting the war. When the Soviet 4th Army took over the town five days later, hardly a single inhabitant
remained alive. Women were found nailed to barn doors after being gang raped, their bodies then used for target practice. Many women, and girls as
young as eight years old, were raped so often and brutally that they died from this abuse alone. Children were shot indiscriminately and all those
trying to flee were crushed to death under the treads of the tanks. Forty French prisoners-of-war were shot on the spot as spies after welcoming the
Red Army as liberators. In other East Prussian villages the same scenes were witnessed, men and boys being castrated and their eyes gouged out
before being killed or burned alive.

Of course, nothing justifies Nazi action. Just pointing put that unfortunately, they don't hold any record.

[Pongo]

Well we have certianly gratified zemkes lust for attention. Which was the only reason he would have named his squad waffen ss in the first place.

[Minotaur]

 

Originally posted by Pongo:
Well we have certianly gratified zemkes lust for attention. Which was the only reason he would have named his squad waffen ss in the first place.

I could not aggree more.  



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Mino
The Wrecking Crew

"One more dead brain cell and you're a talking monkey."
Yankee

[Fishu]

Got to remind that allied bombings (mainly american and then british) caused over 3 million civilian casualties, which of most were innocent.
Allies werent any god sent angels either.

[SKurj]

Hmmmm, this one comes down to a business decision...

How many players would walk away from AH if the Waffen SS is permitted to stay?  And how many players wouldn't subscribe to AH because it permitted the above squad name?

Now how many would quit if the SS name is banned?  (probably 0)

Think its pretty obvious what will happen

SKurj

[NineZ]

I love history, always have and always will.  I fly for the most part strickly german aircraft as I have always had a great respect for many of the great Luftwaffe pilots and their planes.

But I got to tell ya, I dont like the squad name Waffen SS and I would ask that these guys seriously consider changing it to a more historically accurate Luftwaffe Fighter Group, like the JG2 has done.  Just do it out of respect for the many people that WWII has scarred, especially some of our European Sim members.

I realize it is a free society in the US but with that freedom I would hope also comes some compassion and understanding.

As for me, I will continue to fly Luftwaffe, Im bombing base 26, ect.. not Kursk.  Its a game, but a game with (IMHO) no room for the SS.

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[This message has been edited by NineZ (edited 07-05-2000).]

[Zemke]

 

Originally posted by texace:
if someone names their squad after a historic squad, that's a good thing, because it's sorta like keeping the history alive, no matter what the squad's name is. None of our generation pays any respect to those who fought is war, living or dead,   and I like seeing historic squads in these virtual WWII sims.
Aaron "texace" Giles
the only 15 year old in the
>>457th BG (H) "Fait Accompli)<<

Thankyou texace (and Kats, who also had very good posts). I am glad to see people with more than two brain cells still outnumber those with less than two brain cells in this community. The fact that this thread has gone on so long is actually good. Look at all we have learned, and remembered. Funny how people today want to use WWII for entertainment value, but don't let anyone have a squad name that makes people remember what is was actually all about. I am 100% American not some  nazi nutt as the hysterical masses have assumed. It's amazing a simple "name" in a "game" gets people all fired up, yet they could care less(speaking to the U.S. audience) when a certain polititian virtually hand delivers nuclear weapons to the communist Chinese OR when he puts forth an agenda to make sure lawful citizens have no right to carry fire arms. Well I could go on but I am late for work.

Oh yea, I named my "squadron" becuase I dive tanks alot. Not sure "I" like the name, it is great when I am in a pnzr, but does not sound right when I am in my 109. Well if "I" do change it , it will be becaue "I" don't like it...

[Azrael]

Zemke, many many thanks for assuming that there are people who have 2 brain cells, I assume I am one of them.

If you would step a bit out of your US-centric view you maybe would see that there's a world outside where such a squad name is highly offensive.

The oh so liberal US citizens have strong problems with sex, cussing words and others, which I can respect. To me, hearing someone say diddly isn't in any way embarassing or offensive, and I certainly don't use these words in RL.

So just FYI, playing games with SS squads is offensive in other areas of the world, may it be germany, may it be france, poland, russia or others. If your more than 2 brain cells can't grasp this I can't help it.

Pissed off, Az

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381st BG (H)
"Triumphant we fly"

[StSanta]

Az

Now you're holding back again.

Let the guy know what you REALLY think  



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StSanta
II/JG2

[straffo]

I don't know how you have learn history my dear Zemke but you would better re-read your books.
And I hope that one day you should take the time to visit us in Europe and learn why we are so upset.

btw you have perhaps more than 2 brain cells but you are suppose to use it  

[Azrael]

 

Originally posted by StSanta:
Now you're holding back again.

This is a classical no win situation. Everyone looses. What's more to say, except that I've lost it already?

Az

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381st BG (H)
"Triumphant we fly"

[Razor]

How ridiculous, just plain ridiculous, that someone would object to another using HISTORICALLY CORRECT INFORMATION in choosing a name for their squadron in a SIMULATED WORLD which contains equipment modeled around THE SAME PERIOD IN HISTORY. Thats like me getting riled about a squadron called 'The Drunk Drivers'. If you do not agree with those who have formed a squadron and chosen a name then do not ask to join because you obviously would not like it, but LET THEM BE. Who knows, maybe they ran across the name in a history book and it sounded 'cool' or 'neat' or they thought it was 'the bomb', but whatever their reason its THEIR squadron. As long as they conform to the rules concerning gameplay here and conduct themselves accordingly then its NOBODY elses business WHAT they call their squadron. Just remember this, its up to the folks that run this to decide what's what. Now if by chance they feel for some reason a name is inappropriate then thats that. They have a business to run AND they have the final say. In closing, quit LOOKING for things to whine about, theres already a generous supply of that in the world dude.
This is terrible, my first post here was not supposed to be like this. Oh well  

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Razor
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