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« Reply #15 on: March 01, 2002, 09:36:20 AM »
One of my hobbies while growing up in Alaska was buying cheap junk cars and beating the crap out of them.  I typically paid between $20 and $100 per ride and bought at least 20 of them for the sole purpose of trashing them.  Most of the time my friends and I would use them for jumpers, but we would also ram things, usually trees, they are so plentiful in Alaska.  I can assure you, from personal experience, that even a little 2000# VW bug, Datsun, Toyota or crap Fiat can take out a surprisingly large tree, or even a good size stand of 15' to 20' trees.  Even at speeds of 20 to 45 mph, drivers and passengers survive quite well and the cars usually keep on ticking.  We never chose trees big enough to stop a car, but still it was surprising how big of a tree a car could knock down.  A 5000# Cadillac seems to carry enough energy to kill trees beyond what we were willing to dare.  I can recall preparing myself for a hell of a violent jolt, that would only result in a thud and perhaps broken windshield.
I have also had the opportunity to "play" with a medium size bulldozer.  They certainly don't go as fast as cars, or even a panzer, but they sure can knock over a big-assed tree without even slowing down.

So back to the original statement: Panzer + Tree = Boom...?
Perhaps, if it's a really big tree and the panzer (or other GV) is really moving.
The smaller trees in AH should behave as a "bump" IMO.  A car could probably take them out.
The bigger trees (the palm and the big dark leafy ones) probably would stop any GV in AH.  The trunks appear to be at least 3 or 4 feet in diameter.  Would they cause a GV to explode, or kill the crew?  I doubt it.  

IMHO,
I would think GVs in AH should be able to bump into anything at 15 mph without damage.
Hitting a big tree or building at 15 to 24 mph should disable the driving ability of the GV.
Hitting a big tree or building at 25+ mph, perhaps could kill the GV/crew.

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« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2002, 10:54:04 AM »
Uncle Sam used to pay me to drive Tanks over trees.  Granted my tanks were twice as heavy as those in WW2, but trees DON'T kill tanks, period.

During M1 driver training, the tank in front of me had some trouble and the lane was too small for us to go around it.  My Tank Commander instructed me to turn left 90 degrees and go forward.  I looked left and saw nothing but forest, but my TC assured me there would be no problem making a path through the trees.  There wasn't.  Trees DON'T kill tanks, and they DON'T kill tank Crewmen as long as the crewmen have the sense to hang on.

Fix it.

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« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2002, 11:57:03 AM »
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Uncle Sam used to pay me to drive Tanks over trees.  Granted my tanks were twice as heavy as those in WW2, but trees DON'T kill tanks, period.

During M1 driver training, the tank in front of me had some trouble and the lane was too small for us to go around it.  My Tank Commander instructed me to turn left 90 degrees and go forward.  I looked left and saw nothing but forest, but my TC assured me there would be no problem making a path through the trees.  There wasn't.  Trees DON'T kill tanks, and they DON'T kill tank Crewmen as long as the crewmen have the sense to hang on.

Fix it.


Now there's and expert opinion!
Thanks for chiming in ZOSO, you've been there!

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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2002, 12:08:06 PM »
If you know it is going to go BOOM, best advice is don't touch the tree with the GV.

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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2002, 03:33:46 PM »
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Think of it this way:

When the tank hits the tree, it stops, and you keep going at 25 MPH.


Actually, the tree bends and breaks, slowing you only a little.  I've hit trees in tanks before (granted, they are a lot bigger than the Pnz IV) but unless it's a really big tree, you barely notice.

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« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2002, 04:11:45 PM »
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Actually, the tree bends and breaks, slowing you only a little.  I've hit trees in tanks before (granted, they are a lot bigger than the Pnz IV) but unless it's a really big tree, you barely notice.

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Well, we've had two tank drivers say it doesn't work the way I thought it did, so that pretty much settles it.  I defer to the experience of those who've been there.

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« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2002, 04:39:38 PM »
it would have to be one big-ass tree to hurt a tank.  Even a WWII tank.  Like maybe redwoods, but I've nothing like a redwood in the AH arena's.

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« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2002, 05:06:04 PM »
Theme music for GV'ers....

"George of the Jungle"

Watch out for that tree!!!!

There are lots of problems w/ GV's. They'll be fixed sometime soon...I hope.

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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2002, 09:31:25 PM »
Seems to me when I ran a 'dozer the summers between my soph and senior years in college, that when ever I ran over a tree it buckled very quickly and without dignity under the combined weight of 21 tons.  While never having driven a tank, the dozer I operated hardly jolted on trees under 12" in diameter, and noticeably "bumped" when they were over that.  I have never driven a tank, but the theory between the operation of the two is the same, and I feel the added 5 tons of the Pz-IVh would do nothing but help it.

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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2002, 02:55:55 PM »
but the trees are pretty...  save the rainforest!!!  :D

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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2002, 05:01:24 PM »
At worst what I think could happen is the tank would flip and the tank would be disabled but its crew not killed ro you'd be stuck like it has been said before.

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« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2002, 05:07:35 PM »
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Originally posted by eskimo2
One of my hobbies while growing up in Alaska was buying cheap junk cars and beating the crap out of them.  I typically paid between $20 and $100 per ride and bought at least 20 of them for the sole purpose of trashing them.  Most of the time my friends and I would use them for jumpers, but we would also ram things, usually trees, they are so plentiful in Alaska.  I can assure you, from personal experience, that even a little 2000# VW bug, Datsun, Toyota or crap Fiat can take out a surprisingly large tree, or even a good size stand of 15' to 20' trees.  Even at speeds of 20 to 45 mph, drivers and passengers survive quite well and the cars usually keep on ticking.  We never chose trees big enough to stop a car, but still it was surprising how big of a tree a car could knock down.  A 5000# Cadillac seems to carry enough energy to kill trees beyond what we were willing to dare.  I can recall preparing myself for a hell of a violent jolt, that would only result in a thud and perhaps broken windshield.
I have also had the opportunity to "play" with a medium size bulldozer.  They certainly don't go as fast as cars, or even a panzer, but they sure can knock over a big-assed tree without even slowing down.

So back to the original statement: Panzer + Tree = Boom...?
Perhaps, if it's a really big tree and the panzer (or other GV) is really moving.
The smaller trees in AH should behave as a "bump" IMO.  A car could probably take them out.
The bigger trees (the palm and the big dark leafy ones) probably would stop any GV in AH.  The trunks appear to be at least 3 or 4 feet in diameter.  Would they cause a GV to explode, or kill the crew?  I doubt it.  

IMHO,
I would think GVs in AH should be able to bump into anything at 15 mph without damage.
Hitting a big tree or building at 15 to 24 mph should disable the driving ability of the GV.
Hitting a big tree or building at 25+ mph, perhaps could kill the GV/crew.

eskimo


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« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2002, 05:46:58 PM »
Bendover,
Is this a tree hugger comment?
I've been to England.
Have you been to Alaska?
Any idea how many trees are in Alaska?
Ay Idea how big Alaska is?
In many places, trees are just big weeds.

Anyway, yes, I am a love muffin.

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« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2002, 06:27:23 PM »
i'm on about the MTV program 'Jack Ass', where a bunch of crazy arse Americans do stupid stuff, very funny thou, guess its the american version of slap stick:cool:

and no, i'm not a tree hugger

and i haven't yet been to Alaska, btw, you haven't happened to see Artlaw wondering about the woods have you?

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« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2002, 08:43:34 PM »
Oh that Jack Ass,
I love that show, only have seen it twice I think.
My youth basically was a Jack bellybutton marathon, I really should be dead by now several times over, hehe.

BTW, the best car jump I ever made was in Britain, in the Lake District.  My sister and I had a little Ford rental car on a one-lane road.  There was a place where the roads actually hit 30 degrees, and signs noting it.  Ever been there?  Anyway, I found a great downhill/level/downhill and you could see for miles to make sure that there was no traffic (like 1 car an hour in December).  We sailed that little Fiesta off the level part and landed way the hell down on the 30 degree slope.  Destroyed the entire underside of the car.  Muffler, shock struts, floor pan, oil pan, basically everything on the bottom of the car was mashed and bent.  Dang thing still drove but was totally screwed up, hehe.  
I measured one typical jump that I made in Alaska once, 65 feet.
That was a piddly Girl-Scout jump compared to that one in the Lake District.  It must have been several times as long.
Now I get my thrills pretending to crash planes on a computer, LOL.

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