Author Topic: P38 by those who flew for 433rd FS (Read 931 times)

AmRaaM · « **on:** March 02, 2002, 02:12:49 AM »

Two pilots I correspond with who flew p38s for the 433rd said if you want to read about the p38 and how it flew, to read the Nov. 1973 articles by Bodie in Airpower magazine, they are right on the money according to them. they also said the compression problem never was fully remedied.

also...how about the 2000# bombs for the p38s being modeled here !

FLS · « **Reply #1 on:** March 02, 2002, 06:57:19 PM »

Could you ask them what effect the dive flaps had on compression buffeting? I know they restored lift by moving the shockwave location on the wing. Did it delay the onset or reduce the severity of the buffeting?

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Musketeers

Tac · « **Reply #2 on:** March 02, 2002, 07:50:31 PM »

'Nov. 1973 articles by Bodie in Airpower magazine"

What? where? URL?

BigCrate · « **Reply #3 on:** March 03, 2002, 10:07:10 PM »

I have a Nov 72 issue of Airpower with a article that talks about flying the 38

Cw
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Widewing · « **Reply #4 on:** March 03, 2002, 11:24:06 PM »

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Originally posted by Tac
'Nov. 1973 articles by Bodie in Airpower magazine"

What? where? URL?

Tac, if you have Warren's P-38 book, you have the article. The book is a compilation of the P-38 articles published in Mizrahi's Wings and Airpower magazines back in the 1970s.

Indeed, Mizrahi's magazines have fallen on hard times of late. Largely due to business practices and the alienation of most of the better writers. Only Walt Boyne and Pete Bowers have contributed new articles of late. Many articles are reprints from 30 years ago, with the author's name changed... Advertisement sales are way down as well. You may be able to get copies of Bodie's articles as Mizrahi still maintains back issues. There is a website, but I can't recall the URL. Do a search under Airpower Magazine or Challenge Publications.

My regards,

Widewing

Tac · « **Reply #5 on:** March 04, 2002, 12:02:10 AM »

Thanks for the info widewing

Guess ill save a bit for the book. Im torn between addiction to Anime and addiction to the P-38...

Why is life so damn HARD. ARGH

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #6 on:** March 04, 2002, 03:43:08 PM »

I think there was a recent reprint or re-release of Warren's book. He may also have a few copies stored away, next time I talk to him I'll ask. Warren is getting up in years, and can be a somewhat grouchy old cuss. I try not to bother him right now, he's hard at work on a two volume comemorative about the 8th AF, this is the 60th anniversary of the 8th, and he desperately wants to get it out soon.

Widewing · « **Reply #7 on:** March 04, 2002, 04:48:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
I think there was a recent reprint or re-release of Warren's book. He may also have a few copies stored away, next time I talk to him I'll ask. Warren is getting up in years, and can be a somewhat grouchy old cuss. I try not to bother him right now, he's hard at work on a two volume comemorative about the 8th AF, this is the 60th anniversary of the 8th, and he desperately wants to get it out soon.

Warren re-issued the original book in softcover. He has no remaining copies of the P-38 or P-47 book, although Motorbooks has a few copies (overstock returns from retail stores).

Warren and I have worked together on piles of magazine articles. Likewise, I've done the same with Dr. Kopp (only one, an extensive P-38 piece). We both wish that I had more time to devote to research and writing together. As it is, I'm still working on a manuscript on the Berlin Airlift that's long overdue.....

Yeah, Warren can be a handful at times, but once you understand how to best deal with him, it's really easy to get along. In his own words, "I cannot suffer a fool". Warren requires that the level of BS be minimal. Honesty goes a long way with him. He tends to be slightly paranoid, so it is important to reassure him that you have only the best intentions. Yet, for a guy his age (78), he is as energetic and mentally sharp as one could hope for at the age of 65. Personally, I'm very fond of Warren. As a friend, he's a gem and much more generous than his crusty personality tends to suggest. I wish all my friends were as reliable and kind-hearted as Warren.

You can call Warren, best time is in the evening after 9 PM. This is when he likes to chat and seems to have the time for longer conversations. He just sent me the jacket art work for his 8th AF book, and I'll be putting it up on his website this weekend.

I assume that you have his phone number. If not, e-mail me and I'll send over. Likewise for his e-mail address.

My regards,

Widewing

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #8 on:** March 04, 2002, 05:09:37 PM »

Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Warren was anything short of a great guy, and an invaluable friend. I seem to remember him telling me around Christmas that he knew where some copies could be had, I'm not exactly sure where they were.

Yes, Warren has been burned a couple of times, I don't blame him for being suspicious. But once you get past that, he is everything you say he is, and more.

I cannot wait to get my hands on the new book, I'm excited enough about seeing the jacket.

Dr. Kopp is also a great guy, he's been an excellent resource and a good friend. He's just as busy as Warren is. But still very generous with any help he can offer.

BigCrate · « **Reply #9 on:** March 05, 2002, 01:12:59 AM »

Widewing what was the name of article you and Dr. Kopp did together? And is it on your website??

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Widewing · « **Reply #10 on:** March 05, 2002, 10:54:34 AM »

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Originally posted by BigCrate
Widewing what was the name of article you and Dr. Kopp did together? And is it on your website??

Cw
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The title is "Der Gabelschwanz Teufel" (the Forked-Tail Devil) and it is on my site. It was also published in Airpower International magazine this past summer. Several of our surviving P-38 pilots contributed photos, including Jack Ilfrey (Happy Jack's Go Buggy)
and Art Heiden (Lucky Lady). Stan Richardson was also a major source for the article. Good stuff that should be read by HTC and considered when they get around to looking at the P-38L flight modeling again. There's no substitute for real combat flight reports. Formal test data never reflects the truth of actual combat operations. As it is, the current P-38L is poorly modeled in several respects.

My regards,

Widewing

FLS · « **Reply #11 on:** March 05, 2002, 01:47:07 PM »

Widewing

I read "Der Gabelschwanz Teufel". It's a very nice article but I have a couple of questions about it. It states that:

The D-model was the first combat capable subtype and was fitted with self sealing tanks, detail aerodynamic changes, Dural bladed props, a low pressure Oxygen system and typically a 23 mm cannon.

It also states that the first LW kill in the ETO by the AAF was a FW-200 by a P-38D. I'm wondering if this reference to the D model and the reference to a 23mm cannon were typos.

Joe Baugher's site on US military aircraft has the following on the P-38D.

http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_us/

Changes were taking place at such a rapid rate that even the changes introduced on the P-38D did not really make it combat-ready. In 1942, the P-38 was redesignated RP-38 and the P-38D was redesignated RP-38D, the 'R' prefix meaning 'restricted to non-combat roles'. They were used strictly as combat trainers.

Warren Bodie's book on the P-38 states that no P-38D's were used operationally and that the FW-200 was attacked by 2 P-38F's and a P-40C.

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Musketeers

BigCrate · « **Reply #12 on:** March 05, 2002, 02:26:29 PM »

Widewing my thoughts exactly about the 38L being missed modeled!! But I'm not saying another word about it.

Cw
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Tac · « **Reply #13 on:** March 05, 2002, 04:40:41 PM »

Lol CW.

That thought never has crossed my mind.

AmRaaM · « **Reply #14 on:** March 05, 2002, 11:25:41 PM »

Airpower is sold out of copies, 1975+ only avial. select dates.
I'll get copy of all them when I go down to MarchAFB. Or see if McClellenAFB still has that fat selection hidden inhouse, maybe get lucky with copy there next week.