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Offline Wilbus

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Dammage Modell old
« on: March 02, 2002, 05:22:48 PM »
not to say acient.

Been discussing it online for a few days with several people, and most people agree, the dammage modell is old, and in a modern sim like AH, it's a shame to have a DM like it does. It's area based, you either lose everything, or nothing, a plane can take 10 20mm's in him (P38 for example) and keep flying without any trouble (say a smoking engine but working), what the other 9 20mm hits did was nothing, not one single thing unless they actually took or an aileron.

Do it in Real life, the plane will be full of holes and even though the holes might be spread out from the left wingtip to the right wingtip it won't fly well, definatly NOT be in combat status, might be able to run, but that's it. After a number of 20mm hits you've lost a huge amount of surface of the wing. Take a look at gun camera movies, how many planes do you see lose wings? I've seen one, lost half wing, and I have about 4 hours of gun cam fotage on VCR at the moment.

I don't request to have a DM like IL2, just something similair, something where putting 2 20mm in the middle of a wing doesn't alow the plane to fly normally and fight like it did before getting hit, it should SUFFER from it, it would most likely not go down. I don't mind putting 10 20's in a plane, as long as I don't have to see the plane fly and keep fighting as it did before, only difference might be an oil leak (which doesn't stop the engine for 5-10 minutes anyway).

Like I said before, it's a shame to have such a great game like AH, with updates and without doubt the most popular Online flight sim, with such a bad and old DM, the AH DM idea is somewhere around 10 years old, if not older. Difference beeing some tweaks and hit bubbles gone etc. AH's DM has remained more or less unchanged since AH's days of Beta, which is what? two and a half? three years ago?

Please HTC, if you wanna stay top notch, or "Aces High", you need more then just alot of planes and fancy eye candy with lots of debries flying around. The game need it, we need it.
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Offline mrfish

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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2002, 05:31:21 PM »
it's cool but it could use an update.

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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2002, 08:14:19 PM »
Is that to say the damage model is damaged?

I am all for improvements in any category :)

Having seen my pilot splatter on the canopy in a few games, that is impressive. More detail and realism as long as it permits playable frame rates is always a good thing for me.

It would be so cool is someday they have the computer power and the patience to model bullets, cannon rounds, and their effects on aircraft nearly perfectly.

Such a system would require all the physical constants for materials and complete 3-d CAD drawings of the entire aircraft down to the last rivet, but it would be so awesome just to shoot things offline and see the effects.

HiTech, how much do you know about quantum physics? Modeling down to a subatomic level would get much more realistic results :) Not to mention making the addition of the atom bomb as a weapon a lot more interesting.
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2002, 06:06:50 AM »
Definately agree !

What I would like to see is a "system performance degradation" on parts that are hit.
That means that you don't necesarily lose a part right away.. its performance suffers until you lose it completely.
The current damage model promotes more catastrophic deaths then damage.
The "half wing gone" damage added in version 1.07  was a step in the right direction, I'm hoping HTC continues to develop the damage model.

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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2002, 06:12:55 AM »
The quality of damage model doesn't bother me too much, if I'm getting hit, I'm getting hit, and I'll die....

But there are some quirks that could do with attention.

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« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2002, 06:44:59 AM »
Spits hit hard, 10-1 so far this tour. Snap, pull, doom. And I never fly it.

Certainly it wasn't so easy? (I know, know, know I have been flying IL-2 and posting as such, but still.)

Regardless, we all play with the same damage model. Shoot accordingly.

Seems brutal, and fun that way I admit.

If realism is the topic, I ain't saying sh#t.

Offline Rude

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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2002, 08:35:34 AM »
This kind of Topic is old.

Offline Glasses

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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2002, 04:12:50 PM »
Well no actually it could be very helpful to AH if the damage model used in aircraft(especially gvs) could be somehow improved in the way they react to damage for example engines currently in AH we have  the all power or no power wouldn't it seem reasonable that engines with damage degrade gruadlly not all of sudden like we see in AH unless it is some catastrophic damage like taking a 30mm to the engine.

Again I know it would take a major overhaul to the whole damage model to do this thus is not a priority but a thing to think about what needs improving in AH a y2k sim  with a 1990s damage model(yes it's old).

 Disclaimer: "This in no way is an ATTACK TO HTC or their product Aces High is an OBSERVATION on what can be improved upon" just for you pom-pom weilders.

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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2002, 04:20:13 PM »
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Originally posted by Rude
This kind of Topic is old.


Yeap Rude, but this kind of dammage model is even older :)

Give me flight of 40 spit Vs and we will sink CV with .303s only. BTW, I will try it one day, will be another nice crazy drunk mission :)

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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2002, 04:23:43 PM »
Sign me up for that one Fariz :D
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2002, 04:59:58 PM »
You're right Fariz:)

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« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2002, 05:19:20 PM »
Creamo.. you're flying under same handle in IL2 ??

never see ya there