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Offline fd ski

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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2002, 06:23:48 PM »
seeing as i was the person to already bribe HTC, i'd hate to inform you that it will also take something for pyro, art boys ( they like vodka and kaluaa ) and should prabably get something for the ladies as well.

And that was just for the paintjob on the upcoming plane.

For a whole new plane, you're looking at crates pal :D

Offline majic

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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2002, 09:32:03 PM »
Well.... I do manage a liquor store...hmmmm...

Offline wulf14

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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2002, 10:47:27 PM »
I can think of one potential reason that the G.55 would be 'perked', but it's an odd one.

I can't remember where I read this stuff, but the gist of it is that those G.55s were waiting a long time for German engines.

Now the Italian air force guys were really into acrobatics - moreso than most other air forces of the same era. There are stories of how Italian pilots were against enclosed cockpits because they liked the 'feel' they got from semi enclosed cockpits when they were performing acrobatics. And there are accounts from British pilots fighting against the Italians where the British pilots were commenting on how precise and well coordinated the maneuvers conducted by the Italians were.

In short - they were acrobatic junkies. 8)

Anyways, there was this comparison between the Spitfire and the G.55 done by a British pilot who flew both (it wasn't Brown), and the comparison is not what you would expect. It was a comparison between mass production and hand crafting. Basically, this British pilot said something to the effect of "When the squadron received a new batch of Spitfires, the CO and the XO went out and flew each one. They then kept the 2 best machines for themselves."

His point throughout the writeup was that when aircraft are mass produced, every once in awhile you are going to get an aircraft that is exceptionally well fitted and balanced, and you are going to get some at the other end of the spectrum as well. This difference was apparently noticable and mattered when it came to the combat maneuvering of the aircraft.

He then went on to explain how those G.55s, while waiting for engines and in the possession of an air force known for its love of well handling aircraft, were hand tuned and retuned with balance and other such things checked over and over and over. And because of this, every one of those G.55s was basically a very meticulously hand crafted fighter. They were all real 'hot rods'.

They did pretty good too. I recall an account of U.S. bombers escorted by P-38s running into a small group G.55s and our guys ran into the fight of their lives. I think one of the leading P-38 aces of the war was actually killed in combat with G.55s or MC.205s if memory serves. I'm sure some P-38 psycho can dredge up the details within 2 or 3 minutes of reading this post. 8)

Anyways, with an aircraft like the Ki-84 - you've got 'some' cases where performance was less than test data showed because of poorly manufactured engines.

But in this case you have an entire class of fighter types that got some of their 'ability' from the fact that they were basically hand made.

There are some cool ideas along these lines for perking however. I read about how Spitfires and P-47s often flew with higher octane fuel than they were tested with. Maybe let them fly with a 'higher octane FM' for a couple of perk points from a field that has no damage to fuel facilites. With some of the later war IJN and LW aircraft to get the 'tested' FM you have to pay a couple of perk points (again, from a base with no fuel damage) to fly a Fw 190D using fuel of a quality that didn't exist much in the closing days of WW2.

Just ideas. 8)

But the G.55 by all accounts was a real killer. It never 'made the front pages' probably because by the time it was deployed there wasn't that much time left where the Italian air force was in full blown combat with the Allies. And as a % of total fighters faced by the Allies in the Meditteranean theater it was't that common.

I think alot of people would be in for a shock.

Mike/wulf14 (wulfie of WB infamy)

Future P.R. agent of lazs 8)

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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2002, 12:06:10 AM »
The japanese pilots were trained to maintain 'coordination', to perform their aerobatics properly etc..

In the end... it got many of em killed..


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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2002, 02:10:40 PM »
FIAT?  LOL!!!

I'm hijacking this thread!  Take this thread to Cracow!!!

P.11c to AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2002, 02:36:18 PM »
P11c, first fighter fighing in ww2, father of couple american planes /M - wing/, best diver early years of ww2
yes i need him:)
we have 2 "spagetti" uberfighters, AH need another one?

greetings
ramzey

ps. btw imho half of polish players will come to AH  to fly this plane;))

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« Reply #21 on: March 04, 2002, 03:47:30 PM »
(wulf14 sits at the controls of the Fw 200, droning thru the skies on the way to Mexico. Sure the Fw 200 wasn't much fun to fly, but his joystick was busted and a Fw 200 was about all he cared to fly with a gamepad. Besides, the Swedish Bikini team sleeping in back had been desparate for trasnsportation to Mexico, hadn't they?)

(loud pounding on door to cockpit)

wulf14: "Yes? Do you need another drink?"

drex (waking from Jagermeister induced nap in P2 position, using a very groggy and pissed off voice): "Jesus do those broads ever  stop drinking? And I thought we had a drinking problem."

(repeated pounding, followed by screamed demands in some language that doesn't use nearly enough vowels)

(a small light lights up on the instrument panel - a light attached to a strange looking instrument that you wouldn't expect to see in the cockpit of a Fw 200 -  a tone also begins to issue from said strange little instrument)

drex (instantly fully awake and alert): "Oh toejam. There's no way? Is there?"

wulf14 (voice filled with wondrous awe): "How in the hell could they be on board? I mean they're all such annoying little skinny guys and the Swedes don't like 'em those girls would kick their bellybutton and toss them right off the aircraft? Right?"

wulf14 and drex in unison: "The bastards bribed our ladies with Polish vodka. And they accepted the bribe. What potatos ."

wulf14 keys his microphone/headseat and rapidly speaks into it: "This is Jagermeister One Four. Enroute to  Cancun International. We've got a warning tone coming from the Notenoughvowelenpeeelevenhijackenalarm ".

A bored voice comes back into his headphones: "We copy that Jagermeister One Four. Reset alarm. Probably a false activation."

drex keys into the converstaion: "Negative we've got both a tone and a light."

(at that moment the cockpit door bursts open - 5 or 6 rather unnatractive individuals pour into the cockpit, swamping wul14 and drex at the controls - they all reek of impure non Russian vodka)

(down in the tower sounds comes in over the speakers -  an obvious physical struggle puncuated with screamed words - "BASTARD!"..."MODEL THE MID WING!"..."IT'S NOT AN UGLY LITTLE AIRCRAFT"..."PUT DOWN MY GOLF CLUB YOU SPITFIRE FLYING squeak!"..."CANNONS ARE FOR SISSIES")

anonymous voice from cockpit of Fw 200, having a tough time with all vowels: "This is a prepared statement from the Polish Armed Front For the Modeling of Ugly Early War Aircraft That Don't Have Enough Cannons: This 'flight crew' and their 'cargo' will be held as hostages until that wonder of the skies, the P11C, is modeled in all it's MG-only armed mid winged glory. End of message".

(down in the tower all is quiet except for one voice)

anonymous voice in tower control room: "The bastards . They've hijacked another thread."

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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2002, 04:14:11 PM »
Nice, although Swedish girls don't quite like Polish Vodka, they prefer Absolut Vodka or similair, beer is fine too, atleast the ones I know ;)
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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2002, 04:57:03 PM »
Here you go!

is now everyone satisfied?
well give me my PZL please... please... please...