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Who was the bravest man in WW2?
« on: March 05, 2002, 10:31:14 AM »
Who showed showed no fear under fire and was a true hero in the war?

Don't try to pick one because there is probably 2 million, but tell the story of one that sticks in your head.

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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2002, 10:44:03 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2002, 10:52:04 AM »
Thanks.

I also want to hear some about Canadians, Brits, Germans, Russians, Australians... (the list goes on).

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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2002, 11:16:48 AM »
Capt. Sir Charles Upham, VC and Bar

20th Bat,  2nd NZEF

 The only New Zealand soldier, and the sole Combat soldier to win the VC twice ( 2 others have won the VC twice - both being medical officers )

Rumoured to have been recommended for a third.

I had the great pleasure to meet Sir Charles when he visited my high school.

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~vcweb/winners/nz_winners/upham.htm


Sir Edward Weary Dunlop

Java and Burma-Thailand Railway 1942-1945, 2nd AIF

Sir Edward Weary Dunlop was a surgeon in the Australian Army during World War Two. He is legendary for his care of soldiers taken prisoner by the Japanese. His nickname might have been Weary but his nature certainly wasn't. Even in the most horrific conditions Weary found energy to fight for the wellbeing and often, the lives of these men.

When he left school Weary took a job in a pharmacy. But he grew bored with small town life and headed for Melbourne in 1927. Here Weary took a new career path, and began studying medicine at Melbourne University.

He also played with Australia's national rugby team, The Wallabies, and was a champion boxer.

Soon after graduating Weary took a job as a ship's surgeon and sailed to London. The next year World War Two broke out. Weary knew his skills were needed closer to the action.

"I just couldn't get into the army quick enough"

About a year after enlisting in the Australian Army, Weary was sent to Java in Indonesia.

The Japanese had attacked the island, and Weary was needed to help treat the casualties. But just two weeks after his arrival Japanese troops captured the town where Weary was living. The prisoners were taken by ship from Singapore to Burma, and then crammed into train carriages for a five day horror ride into Thailand. The Japanese wanted to build a four hundred and twenty one kilometre long railway from west Thailand into Burma.
The work required physical strength and good tools. The prisoners had neither.

"I'd see these fellas off at the crack of dawn, just carrying their rice for the day, and then they would drag in any time up until midnight, some of them on their hands and knees."

As a commander, Weary had the awful job of deciding who was fit enough to work. As a surgeon, he was also the one who patched the men up after their hours of hard labour. Standing nearly two metres tall, Weary had to stoop as he operated on patients beneath kerosene lamps.

"Weary was never sitting down. He was always on his feet, and his feet were terrible with ulcers. He had all these complaints too, you know. The germs didn't leave him alone."

Weary argued with his captors about making sick men work.

"I'd have all sorts of conspiracies. I'd tell the fellas to start to march, but collapse and I'll grab you."

Former prisoner of War, Bill Griffiths is among the many who owe their lives to Weary. The Japanese planned to kill him. What use is a disabled man, it was argued. Weary stepped in front of the bayonets and refused to move until Bill's life was spared. A habit of keeping track of the war via a hidden wireless also landed Weary in the firing line.

"I got handcuffed around a tree, my tummy exposed to four bayonets and a countdown. Things were pretty grim." Weary ended up being tortured instead ... but the experience only made him more defiant.

After the war Weary continued to work as a surgeon in Australia and parts of Asia.

In 1969 he was knighted in recognition of his contribution to medicine. Weary's compassionate nature enabled him to forgive and even meet, some of his former enemies. In 1993, ten days short of his 86th birthday, Sir Edward Weary Dunlop died. More than ten thousand people lined the streets of Melbourne for the state funeral of the man they called 'The Surgeon of the Railway'.

"I have a conviction that it's only when you are put at full stretch that you can realise your full potential." If` ever anyone lived life at full stretch, it was Weary.


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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2002, 11:25:44 AM »
Gunther Rall is one, alongside some of the U-boat captains. Must be one of the most terrible places to be: highest loss rate of any unit during WWII, essentially blind, patiently thinking a way out of danger.

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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2002, 11:52:57 AM »
Arndt Pekurinen, possibly amongst the bravest men ever to have dwelled on the face of this planet. If only all were like him, we'd be better off.


The following links are in Finnish only and I'm too lazy to translate them in their entirety right now. Maybe later.

I'll summarize very briefly: Pekurinen was a sworn pacifist who had to endure imprisonment, abuse and torture until he was executed several years later. The whole story is very tragic reading.


http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/uutisarkisto/19981114/kult/981114ku03.html
http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~jukpelto/askeleet.htm

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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2002, 12:37:02 PM »
This is 1 mile from my home. I tear up every time I see it.

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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2002, 01:09:57 PM »
One of the most fascinating stories I read was the one of Oberleutnant Rudolf Witzig (ironic comment: "Witzig" is also the german term for "funny").

He was the leader of stormtroop "Granit" a special force of 84 men who landed on May 10th 1940 on the so called "little brother of the Maginot line" the belgium fortress Eben Emael with a troop strenght of 1200 belgium soldiers!

Eben Emael was a brand new fortress - it was built in 1935 and was called an invincible stronghold in case of a german invasion.

The special force landed with 11 DFS-230-sailing planes on the fortress and disabled in a very short time the 10 huge and heavy armored gun-turrets with special explosive devices and the outer communication systems of the fortress.

They caused such a chaos that the belgium CO, Major Jottrand (who comitted later suicide) never was aware that only such a small number german soldiers were on top of his mighty fortress.

Totally blinded and isolated and assuming that a strong german invading army had surrounded them the garrison and the fortress surrendered.

The germans only lost 5 soldiers and had 20 wounded.

And with the fall of Eben Emael the german invading forces could fullfill its blitzkrieg operation against France and the Benelux-countries.

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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2002, 01:27:20 PM »
I nominate Guy Gabaldon.

I can’t understand how he was able to sneak around so well considering the loud clanging sound his huge balls must have been making. :)

http://www.wtj.com/articles/gabaldon/

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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2002, 01:46:19 PM »
On 1st February, 1944 his swarm had a fierce dogfight against 5 GvIAP’s La-5’s, led by Witalii Popkov over the Korssun kettle. One La-5 hit his plane, and the Messer’s engine failed. Debrõdy had to make his second belly-landing behind the enemy lines! His best friend, 2nd Lt. Miklós Kenyeres with 19 air victories, downed Debrõdy’s attacker, and landed near the dead Messer on the snowy and icy unknown field. Some Soviet soldiers were running towards the Messers, but Kenyeres managed to take off with some PPS machine-pistol hits in his plane. Unfortunately, two days later the Soviet AA fire downed Kenyeres’ plane behind the enemy lines and this brave pilot had to bail out over a forest. Debrõdy was desperately circling around his parachute, but he was not able to help his friend, Kenyeres taken POW.


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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2002, 02:16:37 PM »
Shame on me for not knowing this lady's name, but here what she did:

She volunteered to be a spy in Nazi germany, she spoke fluent german (even with a peasant like accent).

She was sent into germany, was hired as the nanny of one of the nazi high officials... and she was the one that got the information about Penemunde.

If memory serves me right, she made a mad dash to the swiss border, concealing her microfilm in her gloves.. and was almost killed crossing the swiss border (where the man who was helping her escape, another allied agent, took several bullets for her as they crossed the border. She married the man after the war).

That takes a toejamload of guts to do.

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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2002, 02:57:40 PM »
Hans Ulrich Rudel

any number of german u boat crews

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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2002, 03:10:47 PM »
Desmond T. Doss - Conscientious Objector

Sorry this is from memory but I'm sure this is available online. Doss was a medical corpsman because he refused to carry a weapon. He repeatedly braved enemy fire to rescue 75 men from a battle zone that his company had retreated from. He was eventually wounded in the legs by a grenade, but instead of calling for another to enter a dangerous area, he treated his own wounds and waited 5 hours for a stretcher. The men carrying him either were ambushed or came across another wounded soldier. Doss crawled from the stretcher and assisted this man when they were attacked again. Doss' arm was fractured in this attack. He splinted his own arm with a rifle butt, and crawled alone to the base for assistance.

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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2002, 04:40:49 PM »
Not sure if we can determine who's the bravest, but here is one that was certainly up there.

Sgt. Major John Robert Osborn

 Hong Kong
 December 19th, 1941
 
1st Battalion - The Winnipeg Grenadiers
 
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‘At Hong Kong on the morning of the 19th of December, 1941, a company of the Winnipeg Grenadiers to which Company Sergeant-Major Osborn belonged, became divided during an attack on Mount Butler, a hill rising steeply above sea level. A part of the company led by Company Sergeant-Major Osborn captured the hill at the point of the bayonet and held it for three hours when, owing to the superior numbers of the enemy and to fire from an unprotected flank, the position became untenable. Company Sergeant-Major Osborn and a small group covered the withdrawal, and when their turn came to fall back Osborn, single-handed, engaged the enemy while the remainder successfully joined the company. Company Sergeant-Major Osborn had to run the gauntlet of heavy rifle and machine-gun fire. With no consideration for his own safety he assisted and directed stragglers to the new company position, exposing himself to heavy enemy fire to cover their retirement. Wherever danger threatened he was there to encourage his men.

During the afternoon the company was cut off from the battalion and completely surrounded by the enemy, who were able to approach to within grenade throwing distance of the slight depression which the company was holding. Several enemy grenades were thrown which Company Sergeant-Major Osborn picked up and threw back. The enemy threw a grenade which landed in a position where it was impossible to pick it up and return it in time. Shouting a warning to his comrades this gallant Warrant Officer threw himself on the grenade which exploded, killing him instantly. His self-sacrifice undoubtedly saved the lives of many others.

Company Sergeant-Major Osborn was an inspiring example to all throughout the defence which he assisted so magnificently in maintaining against an overwhelming enemy force for over eight and a half hours, and in his death he displayed the highest quality of heroism and self-sacrifice.’


Other Canadian VC recipients from WW2.
http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/general/sub.cfm?source=history/secondwar/Canada2/victoricr
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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2002, 05:24:48 PM »
Sherman crews.
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