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Offline Hortlund

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« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2002, 08:23:47 AM »
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 It's called disintegration.  The reports I remember seeing on the 11th said that the plane hit the ground outside the pentegon before crashing into the building, that would have started the disintegration.  The building would have finished it. Ever seen the test footage of them shooting an f4 phantom into a big block of concrete?  They did it at like 500 mph or something and the plane disapeared.  The block of concrete was still there afterwords.

 I doubt the plane would have flown into the building wings level (the 2 that hit the WTC didn't)   I think the pilot would have had to roll the plane to see where he was going so low, probobly causing one of the wings to hit the ground before the plane hit the building.  He's in a descent so the plane was probobly going about as fast as it could (500 mph?)

 Then there are all the first hand reports from military and civilian employees at the pentegon of all the burning jet fuel.  These people are shreckin nuts in the head and I wonder what their true motivation is.....


But why is there no visible damage to the lawn? If the plane impacted there before "bouncing" into the Pentagon? And in that first impact, shouldnt you get pieces of aircraft flying all over the place? Look at pic #5, now that has to be the impact area, but there is no visible damage to the ground infront of it?

I guess that's what Im shooting at here. I dont understand why you cant see pieces of aircraft on those pictures. I dont understand why you cant see a crater on the lawn. I cant explain why there is so little damage to the buildings.

I dont understand. And I cant answer those questions.

I have read much about various air crashes. And I can explain the physics behind all those crashes. I have seen many pictures of crash sites, many computer simulations etc.

But I cannot explain this one. You should either have a high energy crash (F4 drives into concrete wall) with lots of damage to the building or at least a crater on the ground. OR a low energy crash with limited damage to the building, but more pieces of aircraft left. Here you have very limited damage to the building, you have no visible damage to the ground, but not one piece of aircraft. I just dont understand that.

I have been doing some research on aircrashes (a firend of mine is looking for a Swedish DC3 shot down by a Soviet MIG in 1952), and I think I know pretty much about the physics involved in a crash. But this I cannot explain.

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« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2002, 08:31:12 AM »
Oh, and all the moon landings we've done were fake too. :rolleyes:

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« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2002, 08:37:26 AM »
Nah, I'm just a moron here for asking these questions.
 
And the french are all gay, the website proves that.

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« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2002, 09:06:05 AM »
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Oh, and all the moon landings we've done were fake too. :rolleyes:


ho ?

You're sure ?

I always found it strange ;) ...

btw my post was a tongue in geek as you say it was just missing the :D at the end :)


But a plane fully loaded of fuel just blow to lot bits as we have seen on the WTC tower :(
Nothing strange that there's not a lot of part visibles.
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« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2002, 09:25:54 AM »
There were many eye witness accounts of that crash including pilots in the area, I'm sure the FBI had to get those folks into a little dark room with a single light bulb and change their minds as well...;)

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« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2002, 09:33:13 AM »
It's not a red light like in MiB ?

Before this film I was not sure the USA were knowing a lot about ET now I'm sure !

The information from MiB are as true as what the réseau voltaire say ...

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« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2002, 09:34:55 AM »
If you go to this site  you can surely see that it was space aliens who caused the WTC collapse. I see no reason why they couldn't have hit the Pentagon with a space torpedo or something.

PS:You have to scroll down to the bottom of the page for the UFO part

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« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2002, 09:38:22 AM »
Heres just one of many eyewitness accounts of that dreary day:

http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Pentagon_crash_eyewitness_comforted_victims.html

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« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2002, 09:39:41 AM »
It's also very interesting that the article states that the 757-200 flies at 250mph when landing. Very interesting, considering that the Flaps 1 limit speed is 240 knots and most touchdown speeds are in the 120-140 knot range depending on weight.

Perhaps everyone lands them "no flap"? Which, of course, would make everyone's FAA approved Before Landing Checklist incorrect. I sense a conspiracy here.........


....... and the conspirators cleverly smuggled both the Flight Data Recorder and the Cockpit Voice Recorder into the Pentagon wreckage, arranging to have them found by workmen on the 14th!

... and then there's that engine, one of the pieces of an airplane that tends to stay together in a crash....

From Aviation Week:

"One of the aircraft's engines somehow ricocheted out of the building and arched into the Pentagon's mall parking area between the main building and the new loading dock facility"

... hmmm  maybe they just trucked in a crashed engine to the loading dock and dumped it?

But how can we explain the clipped trees and light poles?

From Aviation Week:

"American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757 loaded with enough fuel for a transcontinental journey, cleared the crest of a small ridge in Arlington, Va., by a few hundred feet with its engines wailing. It slightly lowered its nose, clipped trees and parking lot light poles,

And then there's this from a Washinton Post article:

FBI agents had not located the jet's black box, the data collection device that will help them piece together the plane's final moments, but they did begin to recover bits and pieces of the fuselage and engines, including what appeared to be the nose cone and throttle. Agents were putting evidence in boxes and paper bags, as well as marking with small flags what appeared to be human remains.

... so they must have smuggled pieces of a fuselage, engines and radome into the actual Pentagon ring itself.


Those conspirators are SOOOOOOOOOO  sneaky!
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« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2002, 09:40:47 AM »
Can someone please explain to me why I'm wrong when I say that you should either have a high energy crash with lots of damage to the building or at least a crater on the ground. OR a low energy crash with limited damage to the building, but more pieces of aircraft left.

What is wrong with that assumption?

IF the ac hit the ground in front of the building, why is there no visible damage (aka a crater)? IF the ac hit the building, why is there not more damage?

Please oh please answer this one because I really want to know that.

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« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2002, 09:46:34 AM »
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Can someone please explain to me why I'm wrong when I say that you should either have a high energy crash with lots of damage to the building or at least a crater on the ground. OR a low energy crash with limited damage to the building, but more pieces of aircraft left.


No, I can't. I can't do this however, not because it is true, but rather because I don't have the knowledge required. I can't tell you how a synapse works either. Nor can I explain solor fission. There are lots of things that I don't know, that happen to exist. When it comes to something like this, the only thing I can do is apply Occum's Razor, and hope for the best. Essentially, whatever hypothesis that makes the fewest assumtions based on the data available is the most likely hypothesis. I can't answer your question, but I can say with a degree of certainty that there IS an answer to your question.

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Here's another good conspiracy for everyone!
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2002, 09:50:27 AM »
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« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2002, 10:05:36 AM »
Concerning the relative lack of damage to the Pentagon, IIRC the entire building is undergoing retrofit and strengthening. The area hit was already completed. Reports I heard said the damage would have been much more catastrophic if the plane had hit elsewhere.

These conspiracy guys must be charter members of the flat earth society.

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« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2002, 10:06:07 AM »
keep in mind, in the videos of the planes hitting the two towers, the planes disappeared into the structure, not causing much damage than a hole in the shape of a plane.... then the fire made the building collapse, just like it did here.  you wanna find the boeing, it's underneath that heap of rubble.

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« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2002, 10:07:31 AM »
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Can someone please explain to me why I'm wrong when I say that you should either have a high energy crash with lots of damage to the building or at least a crater on the ground. OR a low energy crash with limited damage to the building, but more pieces of aircraft left.

What is wrong with that assumption?

IF the ac hit the ground in front of the building, why is there no visible damage (aka a crater)? IF the ac hit the building, why is there not more damage?

Please oh please answer this one because I really want to know that.


I'm sure hat Toad know better than me how many fuel there is in a commercial plane at take-off
IMO the explosion of a plane in such condition should be like the explosion a full tank of fuel.