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Offline FDutchmn

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« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2002, 08:49:23 AM »
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HT please change the Name, this Japanwhinners makes a Luftwobble very nervous :D :D :D :D :D


bahhhhh... we are the whiners from the rising sun

hiya ede!
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« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2002, 09:05:32 AM »
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If the model doesn't match the name...FIX IT!!


the key is whether HTC will buy into the credibility of our sources... I am sure their have thiers...

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I'd love a Ki-61-II (which one had 4 Ho-5s? Did such a creature acually exist? )and a Ki-100.


According to the material that I translated, there were eight Ki-61-II created by January, 1944 at which time the project was cancelled.  It does say that the armament was the same as the Ki-61-I-Tei and that plans were made to have four Ho-5 cannons.  But because the engine for it, the Ha-140 had some difficulties...

The first prototype of the Ki-61-II-Kai was made on April 1944, using the airframe of the Ki-61-I-Tei.  The material did not say anything about the armaments.

Production for the Ki-61-II-Kai began in September 1944, and a total of 374 airframes were produced but because of the Ha-140 having difficulties, only 99 of those airframes got engines.  The rest was used for the Ki-100.

well that's it for now...
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« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2002, 09:06:19 AM »
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FD, did Mandoble put you up to this?


Mandoble? nahhh it was Mitsu
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« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2002, 06:43:54 PM »
whining sun  :D
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« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2002, 03:52:59 AM »
Japanwhiner? :)
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« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2002, 11:17:23 PM »
I am sory I missed this thread, I agree compleatly, it explains why I cant seam to find this plane (the exact model in my books)in my books, Also I would rather stick with the Ho-5 canon I prefer it to the MG 151/20.
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« Reply #36 on: May 03, 2002, 07:35:34 AM »
sorry i tried to 'get interested' in this but that damn exciting paint drying on the wall keeps putting me off :D
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« Reply #37 on: May 05, 2002, 07:21:21 AM »
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sorry i tried to 'get interested' in this but that damn exciting paint drying on the wall keeps putting me off :D


Woh... come back from a business trip to NY and find this thread revived... :D

Brady, thanks for your interest. :)  I have contacted Superfly and also sent an email to Pyro on this.  I hope they will work on this soon.

Hazed, kindly allow me to summarize this for you.

The Issue: The Ki-61-KAIc cannot be found in the Japanese documents, neither the name or the plane as modelled on AH.  

The Problem: This arises from the fact that the nomenclature used to identify the planes do not coincide between American sources and Japanese sources, possibly due to bad translations.

My approach: Two steps - 1. Establish a common ground in this community on what plane we are talking about.  Basically agree on the name and nomenclature used to call our planes.  2. correct the modelling to reflect the plane.

My proposal is to call it the way the IJAAF called it way back when, using the Ko, Otsu, Hei, Tei designations to refer to subtypes.  In the case of our beloved Tony, it would be the Ki-61-I-Tei.  Then we add the extra fuel tank and correct the paint scheme.

I shudda made it more simple in the first place... but kinda got involved in all the documents and everything else... :)

that's it for now...
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« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2002, 02:11:55 AM »
FD, That's great! :)

-Mitsu
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« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2002, 06:49:02 AM »
I've only ever known that plane as a "Tony" or "Hien", and presumed that the later was a more accurate name for it, being the Japanese name for it (I thought).  I hadn't a clue that might not be the case!

I'd say go with original Japanese documents, if possible.  Use the Japanese nomenclature, and if us lazy English-speakers still prefer to call it by the US codename for the plane sometimes, that's down to personal preference, but I for one WOULD like to know the proper nomenclature, just as I do with LW and RAF planes.

Now, if we can only get those crazy Americans to use some kind of sensible nomenclature instead of their half-arsed system... ;-) ... *

:-)

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* I seriously do NOT understand the system(s?) used by the US in WW2.  How come both the Wildcat and Corsair are F4's? Crazy!
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« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2002, 04:59:48 AM »
I guess this is just like us Americans arguing about, "Whats the difference between the F4U-1 and the F4U-1D"

....But in Japanese.
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« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2002, 05:31:54 AM »
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I guess this is just like us Americans arguing about, "Whats the difference between the F4U-1 and the F4U-1D"

....But in Japanese.


Not quite, LtHans.

The F4U-1 and the F4U-1D existed... however, the Ki-61-I-KAIc does not, while Ki-61-I-Tei (or Ki-61-I-KAI) does.
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« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2002, 07:43:22 AM »
punt
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« Reply #43 on: May 23, 2002, 12:21:04 AM »
hello

I propose another problem about HIEN(Ki-61).

It is expression of a radiator.

The rear is wide opened for the radiator of HIEN(Ki-61).

I expect that a perfect HIEN TEI type(Ki-61-Tei) will be reproduced.

Also a name(it KAIc now.), paint(it Hei type now), fuel(it Hei type now), and a radiator(it has closed now)!!


But there is a good method.:D

It packs a nose of an airplane 200mm.

And the machine gun is changed into Hei type(Ki-61 hei(Ki-61-Ic)) equipment.

We are convinced by doing so, without changing a fuel tank and paint.


- Tatyu
TOKYO SHOCK BOYS [Houchi Play]

Give me the Hien strong against TnB
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Re: Radiator
« Reply #44 on: May 23, 2002, 04:31:13 PM »
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radiator(it has closed now)!!


http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48184

same report here.
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