F4U-4 vs Tempest

[Nashwan]

We need a proper perk Tempest, like this one

Image from Neil Sterling at Butch2k's board
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[Eaglecz]

Originally posted by Widewing

Anyway, I was quite pleased to see the performance edge the F4U-4 has over the much vaunted Tempest at altitude

Another man who think that fight is about airplanes ????

I had some nice ride in Typhoon 3 weeks ago and i shot down 2x F4U-4 in about 3 mins .... when i got 1st, second was there and he was dead in about 20 seconds (second snap shot chance).....

Man F4U can have better performance at that alt, but it does mean anything. If you think that TaB or BaZ is kind of fight, i have to disagree. Tempest isnt BaZ nor TaB ... its just Tempest  and F4U-4 is just blue crap

Any way my best kill in tempest was 25k LA7

i will not advise you from your dreams , stay in the F4U-4 and watch the Tempest Brothers ... or ..... Dai Feng dweebs



if you will judge airplane instead of pilot you will be surprised 1 day ..... and somebody will have a big SMILE

[Eaglecz]

Originally posted by Widewing

Better off with the Dora at 25k.

chmmm ... dora at 25k ... chmmmm chmmmm

Do you fly so high because you fight there or because you wanna be in the advantige ?

dora at 25k .. its real sadomaso
isnt it MINUS ?

[Eaglecz]

btw we dont have Tempest II

we have Tempest V

[StSanta]

Heh, try an F4U-4 vs a P-51B on the deck, in a slow stall fight.

The 51B can stay with the F4U-4 . Even shoot it down, (this was in TA where you require lotta hits to down the enemy)

I have witnesses, too

But, to sum it all up:

Nothing beats the C202.

[Eaglecz]

Originally posted by StSanta


Nothing beats the C202.

actualy in 1 vs 1 its loving true...
but i will HO you till dead santa :)))))))))))))))

[MadBirdCZ]

Originally posted by StSanta
But, to sum it all up:

Nothing beats the C202.

True, very true... I just dicovered the sleeping blood thirsty devil within that plane...

Agree you have 19 kills and 2 deaths in it.... I have only 14 and 2 deaths.

But i killed two B17s in it in a single sortie (take-off, climb, 2x b17 dead, radiator hit, landing on field, successful exit)    So question is - can you do 3?

to all 202 pilots out there

[Samm]

Originally posted by Eaglecz



 If you think that TaB or BaZ is kind of fight, i have to disagree.  

I strongly agree with you here Eaglecz . Lucky for us many players don't seem to get this. I wince everytime I see someone say "model A is a BnZ plane and model B is a TnB" . The fundamentals of acm are the same no matter what plane you are flying .

[StSanta]

Heh 20 kills and 3 deaths now. Very hard to not get killed when ya have to fire 5 second solid hits into the targets.

Today: 1 kill, about 22 assists.

Yesterday I actually killed 4 enemies in one sortie with one load of ammo in it. That's the best I've done in AH with just one ammo load, considering the sort of munition.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Eaglecz



Another man who think that fight is about airplanes ????

I had some nice ride in Typhoon 3 weeks ago and i shot down 2x F4U-4 in about 3 mins .... when i got 1st, second was there and he was dead in about 20 seconds (second snap shot chance).....

Man F4U can have better performance at that alt, but it does mean anything. If you think that TaB or BaZ is kind of fight, i have to disagree. Tempest isnt BaZ nor TaB ... its just Tempest  and F4U-4 is just blue crap

Any way my best kill in tempest was 25k LA7

i will not advise you from your dreams , stay in the F4U-4 and watch the Tempest Brothers ... or ..... Dai Feng dweebs



if you will judge airplane instead of pilot you will be surprised 1 day ..... and somebody will have a big SMILE

A couple of points.

There's little skill in cherry picking with an altitude advantage. I killed three Tiffies Monday night doing that. Likewise, I'm 18 and 2 doing the same thing with Corsairs (F4U-1 and F4U-1C, not using -4). Big deal. It's just an easy way to pad the numbers.

As for killing La-7s at high alt, so what? Lavochkins are dogs at 25k. I know, because I killed a brace of them up there in a P-51D two tours ago. Here's a challenge for you, Take your Tempest up to 30k, take on one of the experienced Jug drivers (such as Ammo or Sancho) and they will hand you your butt in a basket. Then tell me the aircraft means nothing. Moreover, if the plane is meaningless, why do you only fly 262s, Tempests and Tiffies? Why not fly the Zeke or C.202? It wouldn't be that there's no safety advantage in flying the decidedly non-uber fighters, would it? You seem to be quite the hypocrite in this regard.

This tour I am largely mud moving. I'm enjoying attack missions (when I remember to designate them as such), despite the heavy loss rate associated with attacking heavily defended targets. I find it a much greater challenge to take a fighter down, bomb a target and then fight my way through hordes of defending fighters. Yeah, my K/D stats take a beating, but so what? It's a game. Indeed, despite getting vulched repeatedly, I like nothing more than to get airborne from a capped field and ripping into the attackers with a Zeke.

Oh yeah, for the record, I've flown the F4U-4 once in three tours.....

My regards,

Widewing

[Tac]

P38 eats the F4U4 at any alt anyway. The only thing that blue plane can do is run like a pony.. run very,very far.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Samm


I strongly agree with you here Eaglecz . Lucky for us many players don't seem to get this. I wince everytime I see someone say "model A is a BnZ plane and model B is a TnB" . The fundamentals of acm are the same no matter what plane you are flying .

You can BnZ with a Zero, or you can turnfight with a G-10. So yeah, the fundamentals are the same, but the application isn't. Neither of the above is suitable for that role indicated, and is not a wise choice. Just because you can do it, that doesn't make it smart. However, taking advantage of opportunity may dictate that you use tactics not normally preferred for each type.

The primary reason for the success of the Spits and N1K2 is that they are very capable at both BnZ and turnfighting, making them especially dangerous.

Indeed, Spits and N1K2s are generally looked upon as angles fighters. However, they are readily able to function as E fighters too. One must adapt to the tectical situation, rather than assume that their aircraft cannot, or should not be used for any purpose other than for that perceived to be its forte'. Within that context, you can certainly turnfight in the F4U-4, but you had better take care as to what you are fighting and understand the limitations and capabilities of your machine, as well as that of your enemy. Nonetheless, the F4U-4 is best suited to BnZ tactics, where its speed and high-speed handling can best be exploited.

My regards,

Widewing

[Karnak]

Notes from the AFDU Tactical Trials between the Spitfire F.Mk XIVc and Tempest Mk V:
Range and Endurance
24. Rough comparisons have been made at the maximum continuous cruising conditions of both aircraft. (3150 revs. +4 1/2 lb. boost Tempest, 2400 revs. +7 lb. boost Spitfire XIV).

24A. The best heights of each aircraft are very different, producing the following results:-

The Tempest is faster and goes further up to 10,000 ft. From 10,000 - 20,000 ft. both aircraft cruise at about 300 I.A.S. Above 20,000 ft. the Tempest cannot maintain its high crusing speed and no comparisons can be made with the Spitfire XIV which increases its ground speed and range up to 29,000 ft.
These comparisons remain the same with the full fuel loads at present available (2 x 45 gall. long range tank Tempest, 1 x 90 gall. longe range tank Spitfire).

Maximum Speed
25. From 0 - 10,000 feet the Tempest V is 20 mph. faster than the Spitfire XIV. There is then little to choose until 22,000 feet, when the Spitfire XIV becomes 30-40 mph. faster, the Tempest's operational ceiling being about 30,000 feet as opposed to the Spitfire XIV's 40,000 feet.

Conclusions
30. The tactical attributes of the two aircraft being completely different, they require a separate handling techique in combat. For this reason Typhoon squadrons should convert to Tempests, and Spitfire squadrons to Spitfire XIVs, and definitely never vice-versa, or each aircraft's particular advantages would never be appreciated. Regarding performance, if correctly handled, the Tempest is the better below about 20,000 feet and the Spitfire XIV the better above that height.

You want a high altitude RAF killer, give us a Spitfire XIV.  If the Lanc hand been being escorted by a Spitfire Mk XIV you'd have had a real fight on your hands, one in favor of the Spit.

[MadBirdCZ]

Originally posted by StSanta
Heh 20 kills and 3 deaths now. Very hard to not get killed when ya have to fire 5 second solid hits into the targets.

Today: 1 kill, about 22 assists.

Yesterday I actually killed 4 enemies in one sortie with one load of ammo in it. That's the best I've done in AH with just one ammo load, considering the sort of munition.

So far 4 kill sortie on 1 ammo load is best for me as well... And yes, I stopped to count assists because when Im on a con pumping him up with my 7,7mm almost always comes some kind friendly NIK oe Hizookas equipped plane and blows MY con into bits... oh well I think in Knitland its prolly the same...

[Eaglecz]

Widewing what side do you fly ?