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Offline Citabria

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« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2002, 06:50:07 PM »
lol! tourists
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« Reply #46 on: March 10, 2002, 08:35:08 PM »
Yep, send it to me.  I'm really curious.

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« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2002, 03:00:57 AM »
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 I'll be the Corsair dive bombing with my gear down. Which, by the way, I consider the aviation equivalent of mooning. :D



ok i got it im looking for fast blue thing with 2 stick`s instead of gear :D

cya up there

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« Reply #48 on: March 11, 2002, 03:02:20 AM »
hey Fester long time out Hallo there

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« Reply #49 on: March 11, 2002, 03:49:56 AM »
Hmm I killed an F4U-4 in Tempest 2 days ago... No big deal... Didnt notice any uberness of F4U-4... When thinking about it it was my first kill of F4U-4 ever... I pinged few of those blue things before but most of the time I spend in the Yak and although I lit them up like candles those bastards kept flying and extended away like if nothing happened... Fortunately Tempest packs a bit more deadly punch than the Yak so the short burst on convergency when Sancho showed me his full profile was all that was needed to remove his right wing :)   Btw Sancho

It was funny fight anyway when rooks tried to bang A17 and they had it pretty capped... I rolled Tempest from 16 to help the base. When I came there (at 22k) I met a 109 coalt - so I droped my DTs and headed for merge but the 109 went nose down as soon as the driver noticed what is coming in his direction.... There were no more high cons so I went a bit lower and then I noticed an blue bent wings F4U-4 vulching (err suppressing I wanted to say) the base (plus spit and p47 and the now low 109). Rook fleet and more cons were flowing in from A18... So I decided to go in and help the base a bit with removing those easy kill seeking dweebs... 109 died he prolly never seen me coming... But the F4U-4 noticed me and I cought a glimpse of it nailed to the deck runing away from the field where the bad weather (tempest) started to take its toll. I desintegrated the p47 and started to make preparations for the F4U-4 encounter which seemed to be coming because I anticipated an skilled oponent who will extend frome the field grab alt and come back to hijack me fishing low his friends... Well problem was that I kinda expected that so I extended and climbed as well... We met at about 10k. At the begining the F4U-4 had the upper hand he had an E advantage but  soon he wasted it. Anyway he managed to ping me but this time the turbolaser .50 calibers have failed and I suffered no visible damage. Then after few more moments he presented me a full profile of the ugly F4U-4 in a perfect position for a short snapshot. I took the chance and I saw an perfect concentrated hit on D400 at his right wingroot. Whole right wing went off just seconds later - pilot bailed I think with no problems (im NOT chute shooter) so I leveled off checked my blood pressure and heartbeat - both high above normal, organism saturated with adrenaline I set out to refuel at 16... When I came back to 17 I got  6 more kills there but no more perkplanes in the area... :p

See you up there rascals :D

One more thing - If you happen to be a Bishop then whatever you do dont fly Tempest with Orel as a wingman.... Whenever I do that I get killed or just lose my plane... Like last time when we met knight B17 over 11. B17 was above us and of course Orel wanted to go for it. I told him to leave the B17 alone... But did he listen to me? Of course he didn't. What was the result? 1 B17 dead and 2 Tempests with no engine gliding home. Need to add that during this glide we were bounced by Knight 262 and 152 (fortunately those drivers were total lamers so no damage). Well not sure who was in the 262 but the 152 was prolly a newbie because he followed me all the way to the field - I had no engine and I was gliding straight at speed of aprox. 200 when I was at the beginig of the runway I just checked my 6 to see the 152 about 500 behind me going BOOOOOOM :) well I hope it was worh of it for him. But at the other hand I have to add that I went boom soon after because I didnt notice one landing leg damage and I fliped over while landing (why the plane fliped over at low speed goes boom is beyond me :confused: ). And of course Orel landed with no problems :D Damn It! Why is it always me who pays for Orels 'great' ideas? :rolleyes:
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« Reply #50 on: March 11, 2002, 07:44:51 AM »
Guys why all this BS about x being faster than y.  We all know that a combination of factors make this type of comparison meaningless.  Who cares if one plane is 5mph faster than another unless your talkin zero vs g10 then its totally irrelevent.  The initial E states will decide who is the fastest not the plane.  Like I said if ther gap is wide enough spits, zeros nikis etc vs the faster set then yeah it matters.  The only thing that matters in a dogfite is the pilot, and how he manages the fight.  Even then with equally skilled pilots various circumstances can often sway the outcome.  I'm forever hearing 'hey grem how'd your 51D outturn my la7' etc.  The longer I been in AH the more I realise, its not what you fly its how.

I say stop looking at the plane and start lookin at your tactics.


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« Reply #51 on: March 11, 2002, 10:06:11 AM »
BTW,

Here is a F4U-5 Chart to go with the "New Perk Tempest II".

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« Reply #52 on: March 11, 2002, 10:16:12 AM »
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Guys why all this BS about x being faster than y.  We all know that a combination of factors make this type of comparison meaningless.  Who cares if one plane is 5mph faster than another unless your talkin zero vs g10 then its totally irrelevent.  The initial E states will decide who is the fastest not the plane.  Like I said if ther gap is wide enough spits, zeros nikis etc vs the faster set then yeah it matters.  The only thing that matters in a dogfite is the pilot, and how he manages the fight.  Even then with equally skilled pilots various circumstances can often sway the outcome.  I'm forever hearing 'hey grem how'd your 51D outturn my la7' etc.  The longer I been in AH the more I realise, its not what you fly its how.

I say stop looking at the plane and start lookin at your tactics.



I generally agree with you. I frequently fly the Hogs or 190A-5/F-8. In these these types, I have 58 kills. Let me break it down.

FW 190A-5: 27 kills, 14 deaths one death air to air, two by Buffs.
FW 190F-8:   4 kills, 0 deaths.
F4U-1:           3 kills, 0 deaths.
F4U-1C:       23 kills, 5 deaths, one death air to air, one by Buff.
F4U-1D:         1 kill, 1 death (flak)

Of the 190 deaths, all were flak or field acks, except the three listed.

Of the Corsair deaths, all were flak or field acks, except the two listed.

Of the 58 kills, 6 were GVs or PTs.

So, flying these types, I've managed 52 kills vs 5 deaths air to air, but remember that most ack kills get proxied to the nearest con. Therefore, it is hard to determine cause simply by observing the stats. Personally, I actually keep notes on my losses to aid me in perfecting my field attack tactics.**

With a K/D of nearly 10/1 air to air, this reflects tactics more than anything else. Staying fast, working the vertical, and effective deflection shooting are the keys to being successful in aircraft not known for remarkable turning ability, or especially good speed down low. Many of those kills were against faster or more maneuverable aircraft, who had wasted their E or had become fixated on a single enemy, leaving themselves at risk for a bounce. Granted, much of this is low risk cherry picking. But, that's how most of the high scorers get their numbers, cherry picking around  furballs. The best part is ambushing the cherry pickers. :D However, just when you think you're higher than anyone else, someone shows up even higher. :mad: Usually one of those Mustang "Tourists". :D


**Last evening, I took up a Spit Mk.V with one 500lb bomb, for three sorties. I destroyed numerous buildings and one gun emplacement. In exchange, I received minor damage from a field ack and lost a Spitfire to a Mustang (Iron1 getting even for my earlier bounce of him in my 190F-8), against 5 kills, three assists air to air. Yeah, I actually write this stuff down!

My regards,

Widewing
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« Reply #53 on: March 11, 2002, 12:32:06 PM »
"Usually one of those Mustang "Tourists". "

How funny you should say that.   The only time I can recall metting you in the arena, you started somewhat above me and it ended up you running away from me.   Fortunately the 51 is faster than the F4U-1D/C/whatever you were flying.  :P

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« Reply #54 on: March 11, 2002, 02:25:26 PM »
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"Usually one of those Mustang "Tourists". "

How funny you should say that.   The only time I can recall metting you in the arena, you started somewhat above me and it ended up you running away from me.   Fortunately the 51 is faster than the F4U-1D/C/whatever you were flying.  :P

J_A_B


The only Hog I've lost to a Mustang was a C model. I was climbing out to 20k or so with 2k of bombs and four HVARs. I stumbled upon a P-51 about 2k below me. I dumped the rockets, but kept the bombs, as I had to kill some FHs. I prefer to get as high as possible if I have no other Rook along. This allows me to avoid the gaggles furballing at 5k and the Lone Rangers prowling the routes. In this case, I was taking an around-about route.

Anyway, I spot the Mustang at my 2 O'clock, slightly below me. Here I'm faced with a dilemma. My E state is lousy, with only 200 mph TAS. I'm hauling about 3,000 pounds of ordnance. My mission is relatively important. What to do? I decide to keep the bombs, but jettison the rockets, which I do (you should have seen that). I then execute a descending turn to meet the Mustang head to head, on the chance that he will take the risk and challenge those 4 Hizookas head-on. He doesn't and I have to turn again. But that heavy Hog doesn't turn worth a hoot, and the Mustang is gaining position fast. Still unwilling to dump the bombs (a dumb decision in hindsight), I have no choice but to drop the nose and haul ass. However, the drag of the bombs limits my speed and the Mustang eventually gets in a crippling shot.

If that was you in the Mustang, J_A_B, then you are the only guy to kill my C-Hog in air to air. Salute!

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Widewing
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« Reply #55 on: March 11, 2002, 07:36:44 PM »
I was wondering why you were lugging that stuff around, and was even more perplexed when I saw your handle (at first I assumed it HAD to be a newbie or something).  Considering the stuff you were carrying you flew that hog amazingly well.

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« Reply #56 on: March 12, 2002, 01:38:24 AM »
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I was wondering why you were lugging that stuff around, and was even more perplexed when I saw your handle (at first I assumed it HAD to be a newbie or something).  Considering the stuff you were carrying you flew that hog amazingly well.

J_A_B


Thanks for the kind words. I have no aversion to climbing to high altitude for a strike mission. My reasoning is that I can avoid most  enemy fighters by simply being above them. When I reach the target area, I'll spiral down, kill my airspeed, dump the landing gear and flaps, and roll in vertically. About the time the gear starts groaning, I've released the bombs.

I have a bad habit of biting off more than I can chew. When we ran across each other I should have dumped the bombs. At least, I would have had a chance. Keeping them was a mistake. Especially when faced with a good stick on the other side, like yourself.

Tonight I did something equally imprudent. I tackled two F6Fs and two Seafires while flying a SpitV. The only other Rook in the area was shot down fairly quickly, although he did take a Seafire with him. Anyway, I get into a really busy fight with the remaining three. I believe that the one Hellcat bugged out, after I pinged him with a snapshot. Those other two had me hopping, as they teamed up to try boxing me in. Finally, I vector rolled onto the 6 of one of them, and started taking little squirts as he tried to dodge. He was an elusive character, but he wasn't going to get away. Realizing his situation, he chops throttle and barrel rolls to force an overshoot. I expected that and did the same, adding a big skid to bring my guns to bear. While this is going on, I see the Seafire boring in for a shot. However, if I don't kill the F6F, I'll be in deep bandini anyway. I fire and get good hits, his engine konking out. Full throttle with WEP now, and I try to claw around to avoid the Seafire. Too late, I get hit and bail quickly as I'm pretty low. Meanwhile the F6F had already crashed. It turned out to be Nath, and naturally, his wingman in the Seafire was Leviathn.:eek:

These being two of the better sticks to be found in the main arena, I was satisifed to get away with breaking even. I upped another SpitV and raced out to where their CV was. However, when I arrived, both Leviathn and the CV were gone, the CV having been sunk by Rooks who arrived just after we had our little encounter. So, the rematch will have to wait for another day. Next time, I'll bring a wingman too.;)  

Nath, Leviathn, that was a great tussle. A tip of my hat for some terrific flying guys. By the way, who was in the other F6F?

My regards,

Widewing
My regards,

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