Originally posted by Torque:
Ram that denial clause you apply to the LW pilots is very weak. I really don’t care about their personally opinions. They participated in the Nazi regime activities, they took orders from the Nazi party hence they are Nazi. Your lame excuse for them insults the intelligence of the free world. I don’t care if they were fighter pilots escorting bombers to Denmark to terrorize and kill civilians, or sowing buttons on SS uniform in Germany.
Of course if in your country somehow a Nazi party raises to the power and start a war, and call you to files, you'll surely say "no" and let you be shot because insubordination.I am quite sure you would, eh?. And you wouldn't follow an order from your superiors because the high command was nazi. YEs pretty sure you wouldn't.
And you are telling me that Allied pilots were assasins and SOBs because they escorted bomber missions to Japan...missions that consisted on dropping thousands of tons over civilians...or what about Dresden mission pilots?...they were ALL ASSESINS!! isnt it? both bombers and their escorts. Of course. Thats why Harris and LeMay were included in
Nurenberg trials and judged for "crimes against the humanity" huh?...or did they were considered as national heros?...ummm maybe i need my memory pills here!!
You say I am insulting people and world's intelligence! Then What are you doing?! EH? tell me, were allied crews of bombers over Japan and Germany ASSASINS!? WAR CRIMINALS!? they followed terror bombing orders. Should they have REFUSED to follow the orders? REALLY?.
NO THEY WERENT. Harris and LEmay were criminals, yes, but the ones who followed the orders werent. Escorting crews on Dresden adn HAmburg bombing werent assasins, too. And LW pilots werent, for the same reasons. Nor soviet ones, neither.
It is incredible how has war developed. 5 centuries ago if a Feudal Boss made war to another, raped his women, burnt his fields and killed his servers, but let the Feudal enemy boss alive, without eyes and tongue, he was seen as an example of clemency.
Once century ago British troops beaten a hole country because his emperor didnt want British to drug his citizens (CHina opium war). That was seen as an "war of example".
In World War two, at the start, Blenheim bombers didnt dare to drop their bombs over the pocked battleships anchored there because they feared to kill civilians. three years later they were dropping hell over Hamburg three days and nights in a row.
In 1944 and 45 thousands of American B29s destroyed 95% tokyo with low level bombings because a General decided that precision bombing (his job) was too difficult because jet stream. So he killed millions of civilians instead.
Terror bombing and Nazi acts werent only in german side, torque. ANd you know it. You are saying that I insult people's intelligece saying I admire people's acts regardless of their ideology.
you are insulting MY intelligence and using demagogy here. I didnt expect that from you, Torque I thought you were an intelligent and decent guy.
"The German team played with inadequate players and continuous tactical disadvantage. Start a soccer match between F.C. Barcelona and a second division soccer team with a 0-5 score favoring the second. Who will win?...nothing to do with the "best skilled" but with the "best advantage". Radar, English Channel and inadequate German planes gave that advantage to British.
And they still RAF was on the edge of losing the battle.”
RAM, interesting to see how this analogy would apply to the attacks on Denmark, Norway, Greece and Belgium.
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Attacks on Denmark Greece and Belgium endired less than one month of the ENTIRE war.And over Denmark there weren't even air battles AT ALL! Norway had heavy RAF support, and was a difficult task for Germany. Tell me how many kills got hartmann over Greece?.And MOelders? NOwotny? Galland? Bär? Rall? tell me torque. NONE of them scored in those campaigns. (I consider BElgium as France campaign)
Lets not also forget that Germany had been planning WAR aggression for many years. The Allies were scrambling to catch-up. Compare flight time hours for pilots of both sides of the BOB. This compounded with the numbers superiority puts your German tactical disadvantage to rest.
yes they were preparing for war for years. Hitler was. But his country was regarded by his advisors that wouldnt be ready until 1944 to a war against France. That answers all to your states avobe.
And avobe "
my" German tactical disadvantage at rest, is not a rest, is my POINT!. Since the start I said that LW had better pilots over Britain than RAF had. Because experience, because training because ANYTHING. at that moment they were best pilots than RAF's PERIOD!
So you give me the reason.
"Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few."
That was the only intelligent and non insulting statement in your post. ANd that says all about it.
