Author Topic: I know i shouldnt make this post but im gonna... (Read 1010 times)

hazed- · « **on:** March 07, 2002, 10:39:45 PM »

Thanks for ruining the CT experience for me with this set up.

Loved the map

to the setup.

BOYCOTT the CT

P.s.if this is a taste of the scenario I worry you'll have any LW for frame 2

eskimo2 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 08, 2002, 01:03:39 AM »

Details would help.

eskimo

K West · « **Reply #2 on:** March 08, 2002, 07:56:29 AM »

Tried the 202 or 205? As long as you're not being gang banged I find it eats Spits as fast as a frog does a fly

Westy

Sabre · « **Reply #3 on:** March 08, 2002, 09:47:37 AM »

Yep. Had my arse handed to me a number of times by the Italian planes. Of course, maybe I'm mistaken and Hazed isn't whining about Spits:p.

Sabre
CT Team

hazed- · « **Reply #4 on:** March 08, 2002, 09:57:25 AM »

details the damned plane set.

either remove 190a8/f8-p38ls,f6fs,f4us,b26s (ALL POST 1943)

or add 109g10 or dora(perk em highly if you have to )

Im here at the moment to practice for the sicily scenario as much as to fly in CT.

I have had no oppertunity to do this properly because the aircraft like the 109f or 109g2 are absolutely outclassed by late war allied planes.

same for ju88s il2 etc

The only aircraft i can compete in are 190a5 if im REALLY carefull or the 190a8 if i fly like a bloody HERMIT!!

edeeik if you want details i suggest you fly for axis for a week.Then i think you will understand.

I know im a vocal complainer and i agree sometimes i go too far but this isnt a bad day causing a whine.This is a whole week of anger inducing frustration fighting an enemy with simply better planes for their jobs and better numbers (mostly 2 to 1 or greater)
and i have no problem with spits btw. I know there were spitvs and a few spit9s based in malta etc but were p47s,f4us,f6f and p38ls? Ive never read about them being there.I know later there were p47s etc, even brazilian and many other nations we dont often hear about flying with the allies in italy.But didnt the LW also have their later designs introduced? Most ju87 squads were converted over to 190s so i guess the 190f8 is a fair introduction as the fight goes on.P38s operated from north africa and id imagine quite a few bomber groups did also.I dont know the ins and outs of the whole campaign so if someone could at least prove these planes were there i wouldnt argue.

I just think you need to BALANCE the setup better.

If possible Id like to see a rundown of the aircraft actually used during a sicily invasion/campaign.
FOR BOTH SIDES.
Did the axis have large shore batteries? artillery etc? if they did then damn it make the map reflect this.If it cant be changed then you need to introduce SOMETHING that adds similar weight to their army.

off the top of my head if axis HAD shorebatteries but we have none remove allied ability to spawn panzers or late planes from forward bases.it means allies facing stiff ground resistance if they face panzers with m8s but if it was a tough fight then make the setup reflect it.

I have the feeling that the CM for this map just caters for the allied players, and its the first time ive felt this.and it sucks bigtime.

all players tastes differ, but all players should be catered for.If you are going to introduce fantasy planes like the f6f into it for one side and thus spoil the historical aspect then introduce a fantasy aircraft for the other side.P38L is later model but its all we have so i can agree with it but you must do the SAME for the other sides and try to match performances for both sides.

Oldman731 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 08, 2002, 11:26:15 AM »

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Originally posted by hazed-
I know im a vocal complainer and i agree sometimes i go too far but this isnt a bad day causing a whine.This is a whole week of anger inducing frustration fighting an enemy with simply better planes for their jobs and better numbers (mostly 2 to 1 or greater)

Perhaps I'm too dumb to see it, but I flew for the Axis most of the week, and I never thought my plane was particularly outclassed. (It's pilot, however.....that's another matter!)

It did feel to me like the numbers were lop-sided - after all, that's why I ended up flying Axis most of the time when my natural inclination would be to fly Allied. Didn't seem as bad as 2-1, though, although there were a few times when I saw 1.5-1.

Loved the map, except that it destroyed my frame rates. Last nite, low level with a big ugly cloud hanging at about 10K, I was getting single-digit frame rates. Is this the sheep clutter that people speak of?

- Oldman

Saintaw · « **Reply #6 on:** March 08, 2002, 01:17:28 PM »

I can be annoying yes.

Hazed, I suggest you get out, get laid & have a few beers, works wonders for me

Shane · « **Reply #7 on:** March 08, 2002, 01:25:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Oldman731

Loved the map, except that it destroyed my frame rates. Last nite, low level with a big ugly cloud hanging at about 10K, I was getting single-digit frame rates. Is this the sheep clutter that people speak of?

- Oldman

nooooooo, there are no cluttersheep on the map, thank you, thank you whomever. i hope future mapmakers either have a few scattered clumps of cluttersheep for posterity, not put them in in the first place, or HT makes them a toggle-able feature of ground clutter. putting cluttersheep everywhere like a cockerspaniel on meth is kind of overkill and detrimental, imho.

clouds can also be a framerate killer. if there *were* also cluttersheep, your fps would have dropped even lower. the map has a lot of terrain textures, as well as close objects (bases, depots, etc) to render, so in a way it's "crowding" your fps down, and the clouds, as i mentioned, also give a hit.

Löwe · « **Reply #8 on:** March 08, 2002, 05:49:32 PM »

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Originally posted by hazed-
details the damned plane set.

either remove 190a8/f8-p38ls,f6fs,f4us,b26s (ALL POST 1943)

Hazed. The F4u1 was in action as early as Febuary 1943, and the F6F was in combat by Aug 1943. I'll grant you it was in the Pacific and not the Med. Hopefully we'll get some more early war planes soon, I am sure the F4F was prob the standard USN fighter aboard during this campaign. To be honest I have flown very little Luftwaffe in AH, the main reason is thats about all I flew in over five years of Warbirds being in JG-3, and JG-51. I can tell you this though, the 190A5, and the 109G2, are no push overs for the USN planes. We hold our own against them, and don't take the thrashing handed out to us by 190 Doras, and 109G-10s. But they are still very dangerous to us, and the G-2 is down right scarey at times.
I gotta tell ya bud, I've always thought you were one of the better pilots and personalities in CT, but you've been on a whine binge all week. Last night you were going on and on about numbers, and late war planes to Ammo like it was his fault.
Come up for air bud, your better than this constant whine mode you got going, hell the numbers were even last night while you raging. Im not flaming at you, just take a deep breath in about 24 hours you'll be in Jadgflieger heaven with all the Luftwaffe rides available. All us swabbies in VF-27 will be in the training arena this week, since it'a an all land based aircraft show. Enjoy it, but remember the arena can't make us all happy all the time. It's give and take......... Well except maybe for the Spitfire drivers.

Salute Hazed! Get back in the fight buddy!!

Tac · « **Reply #9 on:** March 08, 2002, 06:06:12 PM »

205 dominates all the allied rides.

Quit whinin

NUTTZ · « **Reply #10 on:** March 08, 2002, 06:26:23 PM »

I flew the 205 in the MA with very little kills, not a furballing plane. But like I said in an earlier post the CT with it's axis vs. allied is really making the difference of each planes faults and advantages magnified. I am not doing to well in the LW rides, I just can't fly them well and I really have tried. I tried the 205 in the CT and My god what a nice ride, Not great at any one thing but really not bad in anything, I would say it rides like a Ki-84 in the FM model. It does bleed E, But THAT can be used as an advantage. Sofar I'm likin' the 205, Soon it will be labelled a "dweeb" ride, I'm certain of that.

And Being of Italian desent, I love the free pasta spoons with each ride. The leather interior reeks of Calamari,lasagna, and the engine runs off of Olive oil ( extra virgin) I feel right at home with it.

NUTTZ
P.S. don't eat the pasta while flying inverted.

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Originally posted by Tac
205 dominates all the allied rides.

Quit whinin

Wotan · « **Reply #11 on:** March 08, 2002, 07:37:26 PM »

the f6f we have wasn't a 1943 plane lol nor were they in the med.

I only flew this setup for about 2 hours this week my js is porked.

S! on the map all though was this part of the earth all brown?

I learned after the 1st couple of sorties in the 1st pac set up where it was zekes tonies a niki vrs almost the entire american planeset just not to fly in the ones that I dont like its only a week after all.

We just dont have the pac axis planes to make those set ups fun fer me.

I like the Euro map the best then the perdonia.

The current set up really gives the allied guys a far greater advantage then all but the pac set ups.

I would have been fine with 202/205s 109f4/109g2s ju88s
vrs hurris spits maybe a b26 or 190f8 or il2 as replacement planes.

I dont see why every set up from norway to the med needs f6fs or f4us.....but thats just me.

I dont find them particularly hard to kill just seem out of place.

The pac setups and this one ensure allied numbers will always be higher then axis but until we get a complete planeset what are we to do.

enable 4 planes and deal with onlky 5 or 6 guys in the ct. or appeal to the fast food market for numbers?

either S! ct cms and terrain makers.........

Löwe · « **Reply #12 on:** March 08, 2002, 08:50:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
the f6f we have wasn't a 1943 plane lol nor were they in the med.

You do have a a point Wotan, the F6 in AH is the F6F-5.
Your also correct in that there are setups where you shouldn't see them. Hopefully soon the F4F can fill in for early war set ups where there are carriers. I never said they were in the Med, and I can only think of one instance where they were used by the USN in Europe at all. However if the CT crew puts in USN planes in a set-up we're going to fly them, instead of Seafires. We've managed to dodge flying Seafires, since most in our squad agree thats there is enough spits as it is. However our goal as a squadron is to be carrier based, and thats what we're going to strive to do. F-6Fs never fought against FW-190 Doras, or Me-262s, but you don't see this nashing of teeth, when the Axis and Allies set-up is rolling and we're getting beat senseless by those aircraft. I havent seen the scores for this current set-up, but I bet the F6F, hasnt had much of an effect on it. The only kills I've gotten against 190s or 109s in the F6F, have been when the LW driver got slow, and turning.
The CT team has a limited number of tools, their doing the best they can. If anyone is having a problem with their score it's ultimatly their own fault. Not the CT teams, and it's damn sure not my fault. If you saw my scores you'd want the F6 in here every set-up, my death is prob on more LW rudders than anybody. Your right it's out of place right now, I agree, but if I fly Seafires my dog will leave me.

Wotan · « **Reply #13 on:** March 09, 2002, 07:41:43 AM »

again theres not 1 plane that I cant kill....theres numerous pilots that kill me though.

Its not a matter of give the axis a d9 and get rid of the f6f.

My point with the historical/semi-historical maps I would like a planeset that goes with the terrain,,,,

However we dont have the planeset necessary to do that. But that said in set up that basically allow the majority late war AMI planeset while he axis remain mid war ensures that the allied side will have numbers in each set up.

I am not saying do this this and this.......because by limiting the setup to just the 4-6 plane types that fit in the current terrain would bring in less folks and ultimately less fun.

If enabling the allied planeset ensure some fights then I am happy to engage in my g2 then fly around with no one in the arena.

Löwe · « **Reply #14 on:** March 09, 2002, 08:59:21 AM »

Agree with you Wotan.
The plane set will grow, and along with it Histroical Accuracey, on the CT set-ups. I am so happy that CT has a following and, and almost anytime you log on at peak hours, there 30-60 people now. Instead of 0-2 that was in there when I started AH in October. I can put up with a lot of not- so correct scenarios, until more planes come out. Then again I don't have to fly Mid war Axis, against Late War Allied, but I do hope more Early/Mid war planes are on the way to settle the dust. I got to tell you I did jump in last night and fly the 190A-5, it was a blast, I miss the LW planes a lot, and the dark side was tugging hard last night .

Horrdio Wotan!