Author Topic: Visual snafu <cough> Pyro <cough> (Read 730 times)

VWE001 · « **on:** March 11, 2002, 10:29:26 AM »

On the silly spitty XI you have the 20mm's outboard and the .50's inboard... in actuality it was the other way round.

popeye · « **Reply #1 on:** March 11, 2002, 11:05:55 AM »

Actually, the Mk XI had no guns at all, and was used only for photo recon.

Tac · « **Reply #2 on:** March 11, 2002, 11:15:02 AM »

LOL.

*click* *click*

Papparrazzi Spitfire!

SKurj · « **Reply #3 on:** March 11, 2002, 11:16:56 AM »

Oh Boy VWE001....

That little protrusion next to the cannon barrel is NOT a gun barrel.

The MGs were MUCH farther out on the wing

Some spit wings did have that protrusion on the opposite side of the cannon, but I don't have any images of a Spit IX with the configuration in your image. (MK VIII's tho)

OOPS as a note I have no images of a Spit with .50's but I highly doubt thats a 50 cal barrel next to the cannon.
All the images I have are of 20's plus 303's. I am assuming the 50's were placed in the same position as the inner most 303's.. perhaps the spit experts can pipe up here +)

SKurj

VWE001 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 11, 2002, 11:39:58 AM »

You dummy... the Mk IX had 2 20mm inboard and 2 .50 just outboard. Can you not read the post correctly the first time around? Yes, if the combo was 2 20mm and 4 .303 as in the Seafire then yes they would be far outboard. But are we talking about the Seafire? No, this post is about the Mk.IX...

VWE001 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 11, 2002, 11:46:42 AM »

The protrusion you see on the other side of the cannon is for the other 20mm's that were added as a field install. As the Mk.IX came out of the shop it was fitted with 2 20mm and 4 .303 or 2 .50 and the field modifacations allowed for the deleation of the machine guns and the addition of 2 more 20mm.

Vector · « **Reply #6 on:** March 11, 2002, 11:57:07 AM »

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Originally posted by VWE001
You dummy... the Mk IX had 2 20mm inboard and 2 .50 just outboard. Can you not read the post correctly the first time around?

Can you not write the post correctly the first time around?
Are you talking about XI or IX? Make up your mind!

ps. sorry, couldn't resist

VWE001 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 11, 2002, 12:05:32 PM »

Mk.IX or Mk.XI either way it aint the Mk.II

SKurj · « **Reply #8 on:** March 11, 2002, 12:11:10 PM »

OOps +)

Still don't have any images of 50's on MK IX's but i doubt it will be long for the truth to come out...

SKurj

whels · « **Reply #9 on:** March 11, 2002, 12:36:44 PM »

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Originally posted by VWE001
The protrusion you see on the other side of the cannon is for the other 20mm's that were added as a field install. As the Mk.IX came out of the shop it was fitted with 2 20mm and 4 .303 or 2 .50 and the field modifacations allowed for the deleation of the machine guns and the addition of 2 more 20mm.

a s u look at the attachted pic (i hope). the long protursion
would be the 20mm barrel, the 2 red squares would be
where the mgs would be. there are 4 on this 1, showing
placement of the 303s (4 of them). im guessing but the
2 50cals would only use the inner red square.

by the way, spits only carried 2 20mms not 4, i have not
seen any notes saying they ever had 4 20mms.

whels

SKurj · « **Reply #10 on:** March 11, 2002, 12:42:25 PM »

Whels...

You make the same assumptions i did...

Yet Pyro and the gang have the 50's firing from that protrusion next to the cannon barrel....

I am searching but haven't found any images to prove who is wrong or right....

and.... i have many images of 4 20mm spits, from Mk V's on up...

SKurj

VWE001 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 11, 2002, 12:59:02 PM »

Mk. IX history snipit...

In response to the introduction of the Fw-190, another 'interim' mark of Spitfire was proposed, pending full scale development of the Mk VIII. The result was the Mk IX. Like the Mk V, this 'stop-gap' was also an outstanding success, 5,665 being built, the second highest number of any mark!

The Mk.IX series was powered by the Rolls-Royce Merlin 61, 12 cylinder V, liquid-cooled, generating 1,565 hp.
It was developed in response to the appearance of the Focke-Wulf 190 that, in 1942, was decided superior to the Mk.V in everything except turn radius.

The Mk.IV was basically the Mk.V airframe married to the more powerful Merlin engine.

A total 5,665 were built in three basic sub-series designed for low, medium and high altitude combat (with the LF, F and HF wings) and armament type (b, c or e) b's and c's had four 0.303 machine guns and two 20 mm cannons, and e's had two 12.7 mm machine guns and two cannons and up to a 1,002 lb (454 kg) bomb load.

Numerous subvariants of the Mk.IX were produced and given other numbers in the series.

VWE001 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 11, 2002, 01:05:48 PM »

Of course the red tape is covering where the .303's would be, inboard of that is a nub covering what could be installed as either an additional 20mm or a .50 and then inboard of that is the original 20mm.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #13 on:** March 11, 2002, 01:15:42 PM »

Are the two spits shown here the same model? One of them has a bulge at the 20mm cannon. I thought that was needed when the wing was "thinned" in the later versions (not sure when though).

AKDejaVu

Pyro · « **Reply #14 on:** March 11, 2002, 01:38:19 PM »

You are incorrect. The .50s on the Spit are always mounted on the inboard. If the .30s are mounted instead of the .50s, the 20mm is mounted in the inboard position and the outboard position is faired over. The picture you show is not one of a .50 mounting, but rather a fairing over that position. Since either armament package is allowed in our Spit, it is the .50 cal installation that displays correctly. If you really want to make a technical nitpick, it's the 20mm position should be moved inboard when you choose the 30cal package, but the .50 cal position is where it should be.