Author Topic: Visual snafu <cough> Pyro <cough> (Read 739 times)

Pyro · « **Reply #15 on:** March 11, 2002, 01:40:58 PM »

Further, the .50 is mounted right next to the 20mm just as it is in the game. That position is either faired over or it isn't. The two outer gun positions are for .30 caliber weapons only. The .50 is not mounted out there.

VWE001 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 11, 2002, 01:49:02 PM »

The "package" in that last picture is 20mm inboard, outside of that is a capped possition, and then furthest out are 2 .303's...

VWE001 · « **Reply #17 on:** March 11, 2002, 01:53:28 PM »

As per my original post... yes the 20mm and .50 are next to each other, but the 20mm should be inboard and the .50 outboard where as in AH the .50 is inboard and the 20mm is outboard. It really shouldn't be this difficult, should it?

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #18 on:** March 11, 2002, 02:16:04 PM »

VWE.. reread Pyro's first response one more time... very carefully.

Sheesh... "it really shouldn't be this difficult" isn't always the fault of the other guy.

AKDejaVu

VWE001 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 11, 2002, 02:28:31 PM »

Yeah, I read the post correctly the first time. And I have a little more knowledge on the subject that people whom just read books and look at pictures.

SOB · « **Reply #20 on:** March 11, 2002, 02:31:37 PM »

Yeah, that silly Pyro. He doesn't know what the heck he's talking about. Probably didn't even research it...just looked at his WWII picture book and modelled after whatever plane was labeled "spitfire". LOL!

SOB

VWE001 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 11, 2002, 02:37:26 PM »

There you go, making assumptions... I didn't say anything about Pyro. But when you parachute into the middle I guess that is what I should expect.

moose · « **Reply #22 on:** March 11, 2002, 02:42:50 PM »

VWE FYI Pyro's main job is researching this stuff.

So if somehow you know more then him you'll have to prove it with some concrete evidence and then state your sources so he can check them with his.

An uppity attitude will get you nowhere.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #23 on:** March 11, 2002, 02:43:17 PM »

Pyro said:

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You are incorrect. The .50s on the Spit are always mounted on the inboard. If the .30s are mounted instead of the .50s, the 20mm is mounted in the inboard position and the outboard position is faired over.

How would this apply to the picture you posted?

Could it posibly mean the picture you posted, the one with the "20mm mounted on the inboard position and the outboard position faired over" could be how it was done with .303's installed? ...as Pyro stated.

Then Pyro said:

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Since either armament package is allowed in our Spit, it is the .50 cal installation that displays correctly. If you really want to make a technical nitpick, it's the 20mm position should be moved inboard when you choose the 30cal package, but the .50 cal position is where it should be.

Yet you still trudge on saying that the .50 cal is displayed wrong. Pyro admits that the .303 is wrong... but you still insist the .50 is wrong.

AKDejaVu

SOB · « **Reply #24 on:** March 11, 2002, 02:44:49 PM »

First, in responce to Pyro, you referred back to your original post, stating that Pyro is, in your opinion, incorrect. Then you state that you have "more knowledge than people who just read in books and look at pictures" which was in responce to DejaVu. However, since DejaVu gave no opinion of his own and was just pointing to Pyro's post, can only be directed at Pyro.

That's how I read it. I'm terribly sorry for my "assumptions" and in the future will cease to try and infer things from what people write, and will instead consult Ms. Cleo so that I know exactly what they're thinking. For now, how can I make it better? I'd really like to try...should I send Animal over in a tutu?

SOB

moose · « **Reply #25 on:** March 11, 2002, 02:46:18 PM »

What pyro is stating

.50 cal is always mounted on the inboard

.20mm is outboard with .50s but with .303s the 20mm goes to the inboard and the 303s are farther out on the wings.

in the picture however, it shows the .50 outboard of a mounted 20mm, but i think what pyro also says is that the 20 could be moved to that covered fairing if .50 were mounted instead of 303s?

Shane · « **Reply #26 on:** March 11, 2002, 03:08:01 PM »

bah! who cares about .50's and .303's i want 4 * 20mm's.

post those pix skurj.

VWE001 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 11, 2002, 03:14:27 PM »

http://www.cavanaughflightmuseum.com I did the web site as well as took all but the new pictures of the P-47. I volunteered my time, over 3,000 hours in about 4.5 years. The picture is of a Mk.VIII and its installation is 2 20mm inboard and 4 .303 outboard total for the aircraft not on each side. That particular airframe originally came with the 2 20mm and 2 .50 with the 20's on the inside and the .50's on the outside though it was converted to 4 .303's after removing the .50's... that aircraft served in Burma in 1944 and wears its original colors except the original paint was flat not gloss. I have over a thousand pictures of those aircraft that I took over the years as well as several of a Mk.IX going through rebuild with the wing in a jig and the 20mm mounted inboard and the .50's outboard. (Now of course this is a Bristish aircraft so they could have started producing aircraft on Monday with the 20mm's outboard and by Friday be finishing the week by installing them on the inboard.

)
AW had one of there Con's in Dallas at the old Harvey Hotel a couple of years ago and when they came over to the museum I opened up the Mig-17 and let everyone climb in and get a feel for it as well as get there picture taken in it.
I no longer volunteer my time there I have moved on to other things. But I still know many people in the warbird comunity as well as continue to do reaserch through archives when asked.
So yes I do have first hand knowledge of the armament configuration being slightly different than depicted here, so started this thread. I just didn't expect to get jumped on like I was flying an Ar-234 through a fur ball.

Mathman · « **Reply #28 on:** March 11, 2002, 03:17:40 PM »

Hmmm... since there was a lot of field modification of these things, don't you think that it is at all possible that there could be Spits that have the guns reversed from what the various sources state was the norm?

Oh well, I guess this whole thing is just another incident of what I have started calling the "Dogma of Janes."

-math

moose · « **Reply #29 on:** March 11, 2002, 03:25:05 PM »

lol math

S! vwe, if you remember most of those at the AH con went to the museum this past october.