<S> Danish and German Soldiers

[Ripsnort]

Steve, with UTMOST due respect, its frightening to see a JUDGE react like that.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Steve, with UTMOST due respect, its frightening to see a JUDGE react like that.

NP m8. Im not offended one bit.

Just out of curiosity..what part was frightening to see?

The "I'm not liberal enough to shrug when you want to piss in church"-part, or the
"stop turning a to soldiers who gave their life for our security-thread  into some political "this is just a hollywood war which we dont want"- BS flame war?

[babek-]

There are many example how senseless wars are.

I offer you a recent one:

What was changed in the region after Desert Storm - a just war against the terrorist Saddam?

The Kuwaiti-opressing regime came back to rule - all the proclamations to add democratic elements were forgotten.
The rights of the Kuwaiti women are very similiar (but not as extreme) as under the Taliban regime for the women in afghanistan.

Do you think that it was good that the soldiers died for this ?



Saddam was allowed to continue to be president of Iraq and to live in luxury. Although everyone knows what kind of terrorist he is.

Do you think that it was good that the soldiers died for this ?


Even in his defeat Saddam killed in bloody massacres thousands of Kurds in the northern Iraq and Shiites in the south while the victorious armies stood aside and didnt intervened.

Do you think that it was good that the soldiers died for this ?


Thousands of soldiers are today suffering because of chemical or nuclear agents used during the fighting in the ammunition.
Their children are born with severe deformities.
These facts are mainly ignored in the press.

Do you think that it was good that the soldiers died for this ?


Actually just see the government of the "new" Afghanistan: In Kabul war-criminals have become ministers because they are powerful northern alliance warlords. Do you really expect that these terrorist will turn Afghanistan to a better place ?

Out of the cities the clans are starting their fighting and the puppet regime in Kabul could not survive a weelk without foreign troops.

Do you think that it was good that the soldiers died for this ?


With military operations you could maybe be succesful against the symptoms of the madness called terrorism.

But if you are not trying to find out what fueles this madness and why these mad terrorists have no problems to get new fighters who do mad suicide operations - you cant win against the madness.

Its like the treatment of an illness.
You have to treat the patient and not only some of the obvious symptoms in order to heal him.
Otherwise the illness will go on - and also the suffering of the patients.

So - in my opinion - its not the time of some military actions but of able politicians.
The sad fact is that I cant see them in the list of the actual protagonists.


And one last thing to all who praise the brave soldiers who are fighting the war for us:
I also pray for their safety.

I have seen young men who lost their legs because of a mine explosion or other military events. They were not speaking how happy they were to send into a war-region and have started their personal war: How to live on with their mutilations.

These are the true brave ones - and I respect them much more than others who order them in fightings without expecting any real consequences - like the example Kuwait has shown before.

Whoever has seen people from war or have been a war region must have learned enough to hate war forever.

[Ripsnort]

Steve, just the anger overtones in the post itself  I guess...(shrugs)

Babek, this thread started off as a to brave men, please be kind enough to start your own thread if you want to change the topic.

[Udie at Work]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Steve, just the anger overtones in the post itself  I guess...(shrugs)

Babek, this thread started off as a to brave men, please be kind enough to start your own thread if you want to change the topic.

 I hope that one of us here is lucky enough to spot babek on the battlefield, that is in our scope

[midnight Target]

(babek wrote) Its like the treatment of an illness.
You have to treat the patient and not only some of the obvious symptoms in order to heal him.
Otherwise the illness will go on - and also the suffering of the patients.

This is essentially true. You are trivializing however the treatment of the "obvious symptoms".

If you were to contract a cancer due to environmental reasons, the first thing to do is treat the cancer. Cleaning the environment 1st will do you no good if you are dead.

The treatment of the cancer may be extremely painful, and many cells may die. This is often the price paid to cure a disease.

Now, once the cancer is gone, the root cause can be eliminated. Don't stand there and ask me to die slowly of cancer while the environment is slowly changed.

Hope this is not too obscure of an analogy.

[Curval]

Actually it is a perfect analogy...

I you midnight.

[babek-]

Originally posted by midnight Target


Hope this is not too obscure of an analogy.

Absolutely not - because I am working as MD in a cancer station in hospital.

The actual fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran or N.Korea is the same as if I would treat only the cancer cells of the liver of a patient and ignore that these cells are only the metastases of  cancer cells in his pulmonary systems.
So after I took the malign liver-cells out I send him home and he will die finally.

The same is happening actually. A war which does not attack the true sources of the problems.

Actually - as long as the primary illness center Palestine/Israel is not touched the illness wil go on and any treatment in the metastasic systems will be useless.

[StSanta]

Just two days after I posted in a thread that we had troops there and I said I wondered when we'd have our first casualties, this happens .

It's a tough, dangerous job that isn't fully appreciated by the general population. There's a lot of grief in Denmark today, yet a strong determination to move on.

My thoughts are with the families that lost loved ones

I do not appreciate or agree with those trivializing the efforts of these young brave men. For those of you that aren't familiar with Danish foreign policy, Denmark has a habit of trying to stay out of any unnecessary conflicts, and so far Denmark's contribution to wars in general (such as the Gulf war, or the bombing of Serbia) has been very limited.

Believe me, when Denmark committs peace keepers (which it has done quite often) but especially Special Forces personnel, it's because it is the opinion of the Danish government that it is of utmost importance. There are few things I can see as more important that battling international criticism.

Comparing the Gulf war and Iraq to these criminal murderers is like comparing apples to oranges. This isn't about oil. It is well and truly about defending our lives and values, both of which these murderous terrorists want to put an end to.

Feel free to disagree with the employment of troops - but do *not* trivialize the risks they take and the job they do. However you feel about the overall political decisions, what the soldiers do on the ground is very dangerous and demands extreme personal sacrifice, sometimes the ultimate sacrifice.

[Cerceuilvolant]

PUNT to support babek- and S! anyway soldiers who died in a war that is not theirs

[Udie at Work]

Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant
PUNT to support babek- and S! anyway soldiers who died in a war that is not theirs

Get lost you puke

[Cerceuilvolant]

Wow, that's an intelligent answer...

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by Cerceuilvolant
PUNT to support babek- and S! anyway soldiers who died in a war that is not theirs

Whats "not your war today" becomes "your war tomorrow"...America is living proof of that historically, time and time again.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by midnight Target



Hope this is not too obscure of an analogy.

Yep...it was a lost cause:rolleyes: .

[Udie at Work]

Originally posted by midnight Target


Yep...it was a lost cause:rolleyes: .

It is a lost cause with the "evil" ones, they will never understand logic.  But you're analogy was spot on 100% correct as far as I'm concerned................


ok are you back from throwing up that we agree?



you pinko commie!