Author Topic: A pile of horseshit by Wild Bill (Read 554 times)

moose · « **on:** March 12, 2002, 07:20:54 AM »

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/020306/62200_1.html

You've got to be joking me.

The sad thing is that people who have never actually any of the massive multiplayer air games will think its true

Good marketing - lie to the consumer.

I'd like to know where they are going to find 500 people for this malta scenario when all i've ever seen in the arena is about 70-100.

SOB · « **Reply #1 on:** March 12, 2002, 07:39:49 AM »

"This new version of WarBirds includes new, improved graphics, new game play features, and now is the first true Air, Land, and Sea integrated, combat entertainment simulation for home computers."

LOL...Way to go WarBirds!!!

SOB

Skuzzy · « **Reply #2 on:** March 12, 2002, 08:21:59 AM »

Oh, I loved the last paragraph where it basically says,..uh,..what we are saying here, is we really would have liked all this to be true, but it's not.

Ya just gotta love a marketing release that also includes a substantial disclaimer.

LOL!

Zigrat · « **Reply #3 on:** March 12, 2002, 08:25:14 AM »

doofus cant write

new graphics engine. This new engine, the WinterWolf engine,

woooah i think hes in love with the word engine

real world geography in real time based on real

again

K West · « **Reply #4 on:** March 12, 2002, 08:33:02 AM »

He's the new, numero uno reason I'd never become an iEN customer. It used to be because of the "corporation" that iEN is. As well as the "Icon of PR" Mr. HotSeat.

IF HTC closed up shop I'd go to FA, WWIIOnline.. anywhere else but iEN.

Westy

(was hard reading that release untill I whipped out the shovel out)

Udie at Work · « **Reply #5 on:** March 12, 2002, 08:40:49 AM »

hehehehehe that was some funny toejame!

"Simulation of the Year" Anybody notice how they didn't say which year?

Some of it I think could be construde as false advertising. First to do land air and see? I think that honor goes to AW or HTC or WW2 OL before it would apply to WB.

Skuzzy you're right

that last paragraph was a beauty. "Here's what I have to offer, but I could be full of toejame"

LOL

Skuzzy · « **Reply #6 on:** March 12, 2002, 09:15:12 AM »

"This new version of WarBirds includes new, improved graphics, new game play features, and now is the first true Air, Land, and Sea integrated, combat entertainment simulation for home computers. "

Udie, the above statement from the marketing spile is very carefully written. Notice the use of the phrase, "now is the first true".
This makes that particular portion of the statement subjective, or an opinion. Had they just said, "the first" then it could be construed as a declarative statement, in which case it would be false.

The whole thing is very well written. The words and phrases are very carefully chosen so as not to get them in trouble. As you pointed out, they do not claim what year they won the award.

The massive disclaimer, which could be construed as a retraction as well, covers thier tushies nicely.

I have never played Warbirds or know much about iEN, but from that marketing release I would not ever join or try it. I see too many statements that border on unethical due in part to the knowledge I have about AH.
And the other part is the massive disclaimer. Most people should be able to see that this example of marketing does not neccessarily reflect reality.

Still,..I have to chuckle a bit when I read it.

eskimo2 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 12, 2002, 09:48:52 AM »

Dang, after reading that I think I'm going to cancel my AH account and sign up for Warbirds.
Warbirds... Warbirds... Warbirds... sounds familiar...
Hey, isn't that the game that I switched to AH from?

eskimo

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #8 on:** March 12, 2002, 09:53:42 AM »

It sounds like a GREAT sim to me! I'm D/Ling it as we speak!

Animal · « **Reply #9 on:** March 12, 2002, 10:34:58 AM »

How much do you have to pay Yahoo for this kind of advertisment?

Mathman · « **Reply #10 on:** March 12, 2002, 10:40:10 AM »

Man, this is exactly what I have been waiting for!!!!

An online sim where I can drive a tank, fly a plane and order ships about the sea? I can't wait to try this out! I have been searching for a game where this could be done, glad to see that someone finally stepped up to the plate.

Too bad HTC didn't think of doing all this stuff.

Oops, nevermind, they already did.

CptTrips · « **Reply #11 on:** March 12, 2002, 10:51:37 AM »

Al Gore may have invented the internet, but I'm convinced WildBill invented horseshit.

Wab

J_A_B · « **Reply #12 on:** March 12, 2002, 12:51:05 PM »

I won't argue with the rest of that crap, but the 500 player number is not impossible. From my experience with AW I know that a great many players maintained an account ONLY for scenarios, and never flew in the arenas. It wouldn't surprise me at all if this is also the case with WarBirds. I'm not saying it'll happen, but it's at least possible and perhaps even likely.

J_A_B

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #13 on:** March 12, 2002, 01:05:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
"This new version of WarBirds includes new, improved graphics, new game play features, and now is the first true Air, Land, and Sea integrated, combat entertainment simulation for home computers. "

Udie, the above statement from the marketing spile is very carefully written. Notice the use of the phrase, "now is the first true".
This makes that particular portion of the statement subjective, or an opinion. Had they just said, "the first" then it could be construed as a declarative statement, in which case it would be false.

The whole thing is very well written. The words and phrases are very carefully chosen so as not to get them in trouble. As you pointed out, they do not claim what year they won the award.

The massive disclaimer, which could be construed as a retraction as well, covers thier tushies nicely.

That's not true Skuzzy. The use of the word "true" implies that somehow they are doing things differently. I'd challenge anyone to show that. I gaurantee that iEN can't do that.

And you can exclude yourself via disclaimer from forward looking statements. They do not allow you to candy over outright lies from past events. The flight sim community is very tight nit. It would not be difficult to prove that it is virtually impossible for Wild Bill not to know that these features he's claiming a first to have already been imlimented in other sims. Truely they have.

AKDejaVu

Spitboy · « **Reply #14 on:** March 12, 2002, 01:14:44 PM »

Well, the last S3 series had a bit over 470 unique pilots participate, so it's not impossible.

But the rest of that release made me kinda sick to my stomach. Might as well have written, "Send money, please."