The Fightin' Whities

[Tumor]

So... when are those with "Vicking" or "Irish" heritage going to start the great woe-is-me whine about being cast in a sterotypical light?

I'm honestly offended at the entire argument.  Having a team name such as "Indians" or "Redskins" is and was always meant to be a gesture of honor. To whine about it is nothing more than a particularly pathetic attempt to get attention. I dunno, maybe I missed something but I don't EVER recall the word "Redskin" being used as a racial slur.

As far as "The Fighting Whities" goes, ...doesn't bother me a bit.  Actually I think it's rather funny, all things considered.  I think they could have done a better job for thier cause with "The Whiteskins" in that it's comparable to "Redskins" and because IMO they chose "Whitey" simply because that word "could" infer a racial slur.  

"How would I like it?" .... GREAT! heheh

GO WHITIES!!

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[hblair]

It's all got to do with self perception.

If I hint to my wife that she may or may not be getting a little heavy, it devastates her. Yet, she can call me any name in the book, go into detail with insults, and I couldn't care less.

If minorities could somehow find a way to not let the little crap bother them, they'd get farther. Much farther.

[capt. apathy]

hblair,
  I think you hit the nail on the head.  That’s the root of the whole mess right there, this whole damn PC mess.

  People need to realize that they can (and should) be in control of how they feel.  It’s up to you to decide whether to be offended or just see the humor.  

  All this crap about he made me feel this way, or they made me feel that way.  If they give others that much control over their feelings and self worth it's no wonder they feel like victims all the time. Nothing I agree to say or not ever say again is going to change that.  These sad whinny little people are just going to find something else to be offended about.

 The reason I’m not offended by the 'fight'n whities' has nothing to do with how offensive or not the name is.

 It has everything to do with the fact that I don’t give a rat’s bellybutton what these people think of me.  So they can point out all the stereo-types about me they want and I can see the humor and not be offended (hell some of them are pretty close to right on- I am getting heavier and the hair's thinning a bit).  

  The point is I could be offended, I'm not.  I could see the humor, I do.  The choice is mine, I’m in control of how I look at the situation.  I’m in control of how I feel about their views of people of my race (or whatever type of group we are stereo typing today)

  These people who can’t take control of there own feelings are always going to find something to be offended by and frankly I don’t have time to care about it.

 Am I racially insensitive?  No, I can definitely sense that certain statements, names, and stereo-types offend these people.

I’m not insensitive; it’s just that I don’t give a damn.

[midnight Target]

The point is I could be offended, I'm not. I could see the humor, I do. The choice is mine, I’m in control of how I look at the situation. I’m in control of how I feel about their views of people of my race (or whatever type of group we are stereo typing today)

Are you honestly suggesting that NO racial epithet is hurtful or damaging unless that particular race decides to "let it hurt"?
So all those Black People out there should just lighten up when I use the word "cupcake". I was just joking for krise sakes! What? Not a fair comparison? Where is the line drawn? Do we let the majority decide what the minority is allowed to be called?  

Words CAN be hurtful even if you are as well adjusted as you are capt.

[hblair]

Originally posted by midnight Target


Are you honestly suggesting that NO racial epithet is hurtful or damaging unless that particular race decides to "let it hurt"?
So all those Black People out there should just lighten up when I use the word "cupcake". I was just joking for krise sakes! What? Not a fair comparison? Where is the line drawn? Do we let the majority decide what the minority is allowed to be called?  

Words CAN be hurtful even if you are as well adjusted as you are capt.

Glad you brought that up. I was watching cnbc or something liek that the other night. There was a white guy interviewing a black man who had written a book. The name of the book was "cupcake- the strange history of a word". The black guy sat there calmly and talked about the word cupcake, it's uses among blacks as a sign of affection, it's uses as a weapon against blacks, etc. The white guy would get get perplexed when this very intelligent black man would say the word cupcake nonchalantely in his speaking. This black man was ok with the word. Knew its uses, knew it couldn't hurt him. If more minorities were as confident as this guy, instead of getting all bowed up and pissed when they heard the word, would just act as if they'd said "turd" or something. Giving no reaction takes away all the power.

[capt. apathy]

yes target, that is exactly what i'm saying.  

i hear blacks in my nehborhood call each other cupcake all the time, they say it to each other as freinds and don't seem to get offended by it. why is that ?  if i said it they would deffinatly be offended.  does the word sound different coming out of my mouth as opposed to a black persons? I don't think so, it's the same word.

so it must not be the word, it's their perception of the situation, their feelings when the word is spoken. feelings that nobody has control over if not them.

[midnight Target]

Well spoken by both of you, however quite wrong. Words alone can and do hurt especially when directed against an oppressed minority. Please read this exerpt from the conviction at Nuremburg of Julius Streicher.

The sole offense for which the accused was ordered put to death was in having served as publisher/editor of a Bavarian tabloid entitled Der Sturmer during the early-to-mid 1930s, years before the Nazi genocide actually began. In this capacity, he had penned a long series of virulently anti-Semetic editorials and ''news."

Stories, usually accompanied by cartoons and other images graphically depicting Jews in extraordinarily derogatory fashion. This, the prosecution asserted, had done much to "dehumanize" the targets of his distortion in the mind of the German public. In turn, such dehumanization had made it possible ­ or at least easier ­ for average Germans to later indulge in the outright liquidation of Jewish "vermin." The tribunal agreed, holding that Streicher was therefore complicit in genocide and deserving of death by hanging.

[Eagler]

Yep
they have empowered a word to control their intelligence

I think I'd laugh at whoever called me a whop or dego now a days and think the guy a moroooon  

Been different when I was a kid (14 -21), but kinda just grew out of it or just grew up ...

think there was a Boston Public episode not to long ago dealing with the same double standard ..

[capt. apathy]

 PC carried to the ultimate extreme, a man hung for expressing himself? (no matter how outragously stupid his opinions are) now there is a society worth living in.

so as i understand it you are in suport of this punishment and posted it in suport of your argument.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by capt. apathy
 PC carried to the ultimate extreme, a man hung for expressing himself? (no matter how outragously stupid his opinions are) now there is a society worth living in.

so as i understand it you are in suport of this punishment and posted it in suport of your argument.

So, I assume you think this is wrong, and that Streicher was just "expressing himself"?

You seem to have missed the point. It is NOT how the minority views the epithet, it is how the minority is dehumanized by the epithet. Shall we continue to allow people to be dehumanized?

This has nothing to do with PC, and has everything to do with courtesy and civility.

[capt. apathy]

yes i think the verdict was wrong.
you don't hang people for what they say or print.

words didn't kill all those jews. men guns, gas, etc did. they are responsable for their actions not some guy who wrote a few articls

[aknimitz]

If minorities could somehow find a way to not let the little crap bother them, they'd get farther. Much farther.

Spoken by a true member of the majority race who has never had to endure the brutal truth of racism.

I am willing to say that minorities will accomplish much more for their respective ethnic groups if they start being proactive instead of reactive.  However, I am also aware of the ongoing racism that is ever present in the wonderful US of A.  I will also say that it took my marrying a minority (hispanic) to make me aware of many of the problems that have existed and continue to exist in our communities.

FWIW - I think this is AWESOME (T-Shirt deal).  While I dont personally take offense to the Washington Redskins ... I sure find it hard to disagree with the argument that it should be changed.  None of us whites take offense to the "Fightin' Whites" because throughout all of modern history in this country, Whites have been the majority.  We have not had to deal with oppression and racism to the extend all other ethnic groups have.  Thus, its easy for us to laugh and think its funny.  

Ok, gotta work now

Nim

[hblair]

Originally posted by aknimitz


Spoken by a true member of the majority race who has never had to endure the brutal truth of racism.

Nim

Actually, those were the words of the black author of the book who apparently has endured racism.

[Elfenwolf]

Originally posted by Creamo
The Injun's play basketball?

The clever t-shirt gimic has opened my eye's at least.  I thought all Indians were drunks and owned casino's.

I think it's great they are learning games and stuff.

Sheeesh, Creamo, get it right. The ITALIANS own the Casinos, the IRISH are drunks and the BLACKS play basketball. All the Indians do is sell fireworks and tax-free cigarettes.