warbirds gets hacked alot

[SKurj]

 

Originally posted by eye:
I found it pretty cool they would admit that people try to hack wb. I give them points for being honest.
EYE

LOLOL  HT could say the same thing, because I guarantee you people are trying to hack AH as well.  Its not even worth printing, because only a VERY ignorant individual would think otherwise. They may never succeed, but tis human nature.  Trying, and succeeding are 2 different things.
(btw no i'm not trying)

SKurj

[Ripsnort]

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't HiTech learn to hack the AW FE to eventually create CK (WB's)???  Why that thought sticks in my mind is beyond me, I'm probably wrong....

[SKurj]

 

Originally posted by eye:

One more thing? What if you have a guy who wants to dump your connect? or to increase your delay.

In aw3 i had a guy who liked to play this game with me. How did he do it?
Anybody? How do you defend yourself? Are there any defenses?
EYE

He didn't EYE, he would have to find out your IP address.  Which he cannot get from aw.  AND i doubt very much he "knew" it was u coming everytime..
U just got hit with coincidences

SKurj

[humble]

I think hacking is a much over hyped issue...BUT...I know for a fact that hacking did exist in AW, and it is one of the reasons I was so receptive to AH when it came out. If WB admits that it's an issue at that scale then I'd have to accept that as a factual statement. In the end it's up to HT and Pyro to prevent it becoming an issue. My understanding is that the tools to prevent/detect hacking a program are evolving continually. I think AW and WB have a greater problem based on size of community and the "static" nature of the program...you'd be hard pressed to keep up with AH I think.

[Westy]

 Correct Skurj. Someone who has a static IP address, like users of cable modem or dsl, is more at the mercy of someone doing a constant ping or traceroute on them than someone with a dial up ISP account. The only way someone could have gotten his IP addy is if he'd posted on an NNTP  newsgroup and someone grabbed his IP from the header before he went to fly online.
 There is no way for someone, not in the employ of the game company, to know what your connecting IP address is.
 Even if  a person chose to screw with someone else online they would need to use a second machine to ping, do a constant tracerte, IAM or whatever to the victim because if they did it with the machine they were flying on it too would become as bogged down and effected like the victims pc.
 I think EYE is just a bit too gullible on alot of this cheat and hack stuff and takes  what people say out of context or not with enough grains of salt.

  -Westy

[easymo]

 Your right about one thing funky. The list of things that are unrealistic is endless. And always will be. This is a GAME. Therefore it is gameplay essues that interest me.

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 Hugs and bullits
 EZ

[DrSoya]

 

Originally posted by eye:
One more thing? What if you have a guy who wants to dump your connect? or to increase your delay.

(...) How do you defend yourself? Are there any defenses?

Begin by installing a personal firewall. It will block all attempts, in fact it will not answer any external requests, therefore hindering an Internet hooligan's efforts.

I haven't tested how it affects gameplay, or if it affects frame rate, but back in WB I noticed no significant effect on delay or frame rate.

I'm using ZoneAlarm. It's a squeak every time there is an AH update (the game will lock up the first, maybe second time, then in the firewall's setup I will be able to specify that the new AH is to be given Internet access) but I sure feel more secure on my cable modem.

My ISP doesn't really like ZoneAlarm though, and they recommend either ConSEAL or Norton Internet Security, but both are commercial products.

That being said, I seriously doubt any player has the ability to determine your IP address when you're in the arena, and I don't believe anyone from the AH community(apart from HTC personnel   ) can raise hell with your connection when you're online.

Not if you don't allow determining your IP address by openly (and unknowingly) advertising your IP address beforehand on IRC, ICQ or by e-mail.

 


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DrSoya
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF [AH]
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF [WB]
Part of the Northolt Wing (First Polish Fighter Wing)

[eye]

Westy honestly listen? ok?

I had a stalker in aw3

Guy screwed with me every time he could.

He destroyed files in my computer several times. Files that caused me 300$ at least in computer fixes.

The thing i said about my delay going up every time happened at old ft. Always as he logged on.Always went away when he left.

We used to go after each other every day there. For years this went on.Why because i dont back down from bullies.
In fact as my game got better i kicked his ass. His second and third account too.

You think im jokeing or crazy. Well im not.
Someday what was done to me will be against the law.
Was it one person or a few over the years?
Im not realy sure.
I know that dirty tricks that were played on me.Why because some have the knowledge in hacking they dont have in flight sims.

Im not computer literate like many here.
In fact this is my pc's main use.To f with me is like shooting fish in a barrel. It took no skill by the person or persons. I couldent fight back.
Coincidences that happen over and over well there just not random.

Btw i often wondered if it was someone from gamestorm.
They played the game too and had huge ego's that got easily crushed.
Do i realy think thats what happened? Nope but ive often wondered.

Some day ill tell you personaly how i got booted from aw3.
Its a interesting story. Its one that involved Dose being called.
It also involved someone hacking my computer to the point that i fraged one of the involved parties.
It got me booted from the game. It really is a good story. I got played bad.Suckered. It was a judo move i laugh to this day about it.

Why do i laugh? Because i would still be back there argueing.Id still be getting hacked.
All all in a inferior game.
By players that are not as good as the ones here.
Getting booted from aw3 was one of the best things that ever happened to me. Seriously.
It reinvigorated me. I found i loved flight sims again. All the BS that went on realy was ruining the fun.

I know your going to say im crazy. LOL

Thats ok i lived it ive been harrased because i played a game better than another person.
I also im not alone.
Others here have had the same problem.
Dont ask for proof im sure in the following posts someone has had a similar experence.


EYE


Thanks guys for explaining how this was done to me. Anyone with any other ideas on how it was done please post.

[Extreme]

First thing I'd do to find who, if I suspect an attack on my PC?..

Run
   >NETSTAT 5

Shows connections to your PC every 5 seconds.  That should give you something to start with.

Ex.

[Fariz]

I lost 2 weeks work due to a cracker attack some time ago. I have ATguard working on my puter, it is a PC firewall, but couple of times I put it off when flied AH. After one of such days I found that 3 my shared folders gone. Still I blame only myself, I should be more careful. I tried to track the guy, but he was clever enough not to try it again.

What is true from the stone age times that if there a way to do some dammage, there will be someone who will do it. If you will put a fence around some land and will call it yours it will be someone again who will try to break the fence and to take some crops from your field. That is terrible, because so many efforts and valuable time goes to deffending of what you have instead of creating something new.

Fariz
XII Legion.

[dosequis]

I don't know how you guys are claiming that another WB/AW or AH pilot messed with you. The IP streams to/from the server are pure client to server. When you approach another plane, or talk on channel 100, no information about your IP is sent to any other player. I've even used my Linux box to do a complete session capture for 10 mins of dogfighting, and gone through it. There is no information in any packet regarding another player's source IP address. I've only done this for AH and only looked at a partial capture of warbirds. Maybe AW had something, I don't know so I won't make any claims about that game.

So, that person who messed with you did one of two things:

He found your IP address via your email, or a BBS posting or because you announced it on ch 1. Or he was from the same ISP as you. Once you were dialed in over PPP, he had a free shot at you for any number of the Windows IP stack, Netbios sharing bugs that have existed over time. Or maybe AW3 sent IP info regarding other streams, making it possibly the most idiotic protocol in human history.

The rules of the game in AH are:

1. Never ever give your source IP address out to anyone. This BBS logs it, but if you have DHCP that's no biggy. If your IP address is open knowledge, and you have a dialup connection, you better get a stack protector like ZoneAlarm or get diddlyed.
I've seen morons announce their IP address for 2v2 games on channel 1. That's like a big sign that says, "DoS attack me!" Announce you have a game on ch 100, and send private to people and only if you have a feel for their character.

2. If you have DSL or Cable, get a firewall.

XX

[AKDejaVu]

 

If you have DSL or Cable, get a firewall.

This simply cannot be stressed enough.

AKDejaVu

[eye]

I havent checked this post in days thx for the great advice. I use zone alarm now but i find it hurts delay.

Any ideas. I cant thank you all enough for explaining this all too me.

EYE

[Cheerleader 1]

Don't think you'll find any detectable delay really with ZoneAlarm.. look more to your ISP.