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Offline crabofix

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« on: April 17, 2000, 06:53:00 PM »
Everyone else have a plane they push for!
Now I want to push for earlytype planes that could fly in circels around anything in here.
Ki43, stuka, 109 4E, spit I, Hurricane, deufant, I15, Heiniken, Carlsberg, becks, GLADIATOR, is also nice planes.
HO229 (not GO229, right?), Dora, F8F, F4u-C, Meteor, Jas 39 Gripen, (yes the engineer that drew Gripen, was already born durin WWII and he saw it fly in his mind,while he rode in the babywagon, so really it is a WWII plane!)
Stop the "UBERCRAP" and come up with planes used in the early stage of war, great provisions for special arena.

And saw:BORK,BORK,BORK!

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« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2000, 06:59:00 PM »
Why the dislike for the late war stuff?  Aside from SWOTL, when has it been done?  BoB is cool, but it's not like it's never been done.



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« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2000, 06:59:00 PM »
HO229 (not GO229, right?)

prototypes were done by Horten brothers (Ho- designation). Preproduction, and production planes were to be done by Gotha factories (Go- designation).
So the plane was Go229, not Ho229.

Jas 39 Gripen, (yes the engineer that drew Gripen, was already born durin WWII and he saw it fly in his mind,while he rode in the babywagon, so really it is a WWII plane!)
ROFLOL!!!!!

 

Stop the "UBERCRAP" and come up with planes used in the early stage of war, great provisions for special arena.

Sorry crabo...BUT I STILL WANT MY 190D9!!!!
 

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« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2000, 07:04:00 PM »
 Ya I want one of those earlywar KI 84,s . Dont forget the butterflys.

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« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2000, 09:55:00 PM »
...Heiniken, Carlsberg, becks...

LOL, yes I second that. I have yet to see a game that models a "Vestfyen" correctly and if they DO include it they always get the color wrong too.

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« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2000, 10:34:00 PM »
What Pyro said.

Stop that early war elitism, we know you all want Ta 152s and Ubercats  

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« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2000, 12:50:00 AM »
 
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And saw:BORK,BORK,BORK!


And the Chicken in the Pooh !!!


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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2000, 12:57:00 AM »
 
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Originally posted by Pyro:
Why the dislike for the late war stuff?  Aside from SWOTL, when has it been done?  BoB is cool, but it's not like it's never been done.

I dont dislike the late war planes, played swotl a lot more than BoB, thats for sure.
Just that it tends to get a bit "what if?", even if thats ok for me. I guess as a customer I have to adjust to the outlet right? But that dos´nt stop me from thinking about early warplanes and nearly forgotten airbattles in france, poland, spain, finland.
I mean LW only goal was to bring down b17:s
in as many number as possible, after 1941.
Makes it pretty onetracked in my opinion.
Hey, before 1 september 1939, the airforces around the world had pretty screwed up thoughts about how to use their planes and tactics. Many had still a huge amount of "biplanes" in stock. As soon as the war started, they started to look for "matches" and "countermesiures" against succesful opposition. Planes that was thought to "uberplanes", where failures, look at the zestörer and deuifant! Yes I understand that a Gladiator would be no match for a go229 and with a plane like that in the arena, who would fly the Gladiator? Still it would be fun to use in senarios, as I said.

(As a chef I will start doing the same: "Hey, I know you like liver, Master Crabofix, but this liverfiled sole is  disquestin, ever thought about leavin liver out from one or two dishes maybe?.........Whos the chef here anyway, you or me? Just Shut up and eat!")

Ram  
Am I wrong when I say HO instead of GO?
So its really Bf262 and fw152 too?
Thought LW changed their way of planenames from maker to designer.
Guess I must have got that wrong.

Forgot about Vestfyn, sorry.

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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2000, 02:29:00 AM »
Crabo, my friend , I'm affraid you just opened a can.... Here's a helmet I can lend you to protect yourself.... Start runnin, NOW !

 
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« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2000, 03:36:00 AM »
 
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Crabo, my friend , I'm affraid you just opened a can.... Here's a helmet I can lend you to protect yourself.... Start runnin, NOW !

 

Yes, I just realized that this is´nt a place to post jokes.......SO......IM RUNIN!!!
(They all older guys, right?....I mean: I don`t know much longer I can keep it up!)

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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2000, 04:41:00 AM »
     
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 Ram  
Am I wrong when I say HO instead of GO?
So its really Bf262 and fw152 too?
Thought LW changed their way of planenames from maker to designer.
Guess I must have got that wrong.


Sorry to say it, Crabo, but you did got that wrong. Horten brothers never had,by far, the prestige earned by Dr. Willy Messerchmitt, or Kurt Tank. And the only plane called after his creator was the Ta152...

Bf was called after "Bayerische Flugzeugwerke", then changed to Messerchmitt...why?...That was a long story of hate and political matters...It was because the fact that Erhard Milch (minister of armaments and aviation on prewar and first years of the war )hated Dr Willy Messerchmitt so much,and the hatred was in two ways.. in 1933 B.F. designed a training aircraft for Romanian air forces, and RLM (Reichsluftfahrtministerium-State Ministry of Aviation, then leaded by Milch) took is as a serious offense; to make a long story short, lets say that RLM put bans on all and every B.F. design so the company was near breaking.

When the Luftwaffe called for a new fighter for its Jagdwaffe, Arado, B.F., Focke-Wulf and Heinkel presented designs. The designs were the Ar 80V1, Fw159 V1,He112 V1, and bf109 V1. Arado and Focke Wulf designs were wiped out from the competition by the He112 and Bf109. After that the story is known, the designation of Bf109 as main fighter of LW, and the He112 as sort of backup...and all that with fierce opposition of Erhard Milch, and his Air ministry. (This says a lot about the 109 design...was so excellent plane that, even the politicians, couldnt hinder it).

After that succesfull design, Goering called for the Zerstorer concept, and B.F. answered with the Bf110...The plane was really good in its task (for the time, of course       ) and Messerchmitt earned a great reputation in Germany.

When war started, and all saw the incredible performance of Bf110 and Bf109 over Poland and France, and the good role played by 109 over Britain, Dr. Willy Messerchmitt earned nearly divine reputation...then HE changed the name of HIS COMPANY to Messerchmitt...and with that name change, the plane designations changed, too, from BF to ME...RLM never said a word about that change, was something of Messerchmitt itself, sorta SLAP on the face of Milch.(And a BIG resounding SLAP, BTW    )

Milch played an awful role on German industry develop. When Albert Speer came in, in 1943, Germany's industry really growed up incredibly...but too late for the "One thousand years Reich". Anyway without Speer on the Armament Ministry,(He was a clever and competent minister, and he had people like Guderian as his advicers.)it is doubtful that Germany's war effort could've survived until so late as it did.

In contrast with the Messerchmitt Me109 example, Ta152 designation was proposed by RLM itself, in honour of Kurt Tank. The plane was called "Focke Wulf Ta152", not "Tank Ta152"...Messerchmitt changed his company's name...Tank was only a designer, the company was always Focke Wulf (and I think it STILL is focke wulf       )

Some history notes from a WWII nut       some day we'll really talk about curious things, as why Ta152 wasnt built in great numbers on late 1944 (it could've been done), or why Fw190C series with the excellent DB603 engine never passed the prototype, althoug it was clearly a winner...      

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« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2000, 06:31:00 AM »
 
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Sorry to say it, Crabo, but you did got that wrong.


Yes, see that now. Thanx for the lecture, Ram.

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« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2000, 07:12:00 AM »
 
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Yes, see that now. Thanx for the lecture, Ram.


Hehehe...good you admit it,the running defensive measure wont work for you, as I'd run more than you   (I am 22 years old and I use to play soccer a lot!!!)  

Just kidding, of course  

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