Author Topic: Assist my *ss! :mad: (Read 512 times)

VWE001 · « **on:** March 20, 2002, 08:21:04 AM »

O.k. what's the friggin deal with assists? Either I come up on someone chasing a plane and I'm sure has a few rounds in him but no damage that I can see and I'll take off a wing or even blow 'em up on my first pass and get an "assist". Or even better I'll duel with someone and remove some critical part of their plane like a tail or wing and turn 'em into a giant leaf falling from the tree of life. Now it is silly to continue to fire and waist ammo because they are no longer in control of there plane, they are going down and the fight is over. Then out of no where some dweeb will tail the wrekage all the way to the deck, shootin at it as he goes and get the kill while I get the "assist". This tour alone I have over 100 assists with little or nothing to show for it. Hey during the Con, will HiTech roam the floor and give out little gold stars for each assist?

HFMudd · « **Reply #1 on:** March 20, 2002, 09:30:15 AM »

I've gotten "assists" on planes that I've taken the wing off of right next the deck and I've wondered just how some of the kill credit logic works. Then I think, "What the heck, I imagine that I get kills for ones I don't deserve from the same logic. Probably it all balances out."

hitech · « **Reply #2 on:** March 20, 2002, 09:34:45 AM »

The kill logic is very simple, he who puts the most lethality into a plane gets the kill.

Airscrew · « **Reply #3 on:** March 20, 2002, 10:02:05 AM »

I know exactly how you feel VW...

"Now it is silly to continue to fire and waist ammo because they are no longer in control of there plane, they are going down and the fight is over. Then out of no where some dweeb will tail the wrekage all the way to the deck, shootin at it as he goes and get the kill while I get the "assist".

Few nights back I was chasing a F4U, scored some hits on his left wing, and blew the wing tip off and atleast an elevator. Plane was very uncontrollable, he was wobbling all over the place and steadily losing altitude. Good as dead right? So I pull back and look for another target when some guy swoops in and shoots up the F4U and blows him up and I get an assist. I mean there was no way this F4U was going to make it, he was flopping all over the place, stalling, couldnt even keep his wings level.

But I'm not bitter, it does balance out in the end because I've gotten kills on planes while others get the assist.

Widewing · « **Reply #4 on:** March 20, 2002, 10:25:31 AM »

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Originally posted by hitech
The kill logic is very simple, he who puts the most lethality into a plane gets the kill.

With all due respect, the logic is fundamentally flawed. Why? Well, he ain't dead until he's dead. It's that simple.

Example: A Spitfire gets hit, escapes and heads for home. I spot him later on short final, zoom in, blow off his wing and the Spit crashes short of the runway. I get an assist. Yet, if I had arrived 30 seconds later, the guy lands safely and no one gets a kill. So, tell me, who provided the REAL lethality?

I believe that a shared kill system solves the problems. There must be a cut-off, so that everyone doesn't try to get "their licks" in to get a portion of the kill, such as when the aircraft is no longer flyable. As it stands now the fractional perks are meaningless when you have many hundreds in the bank.

My best,

Widewing

Wlfgng · « **Reply #5 on:** March 20, 2002, 10:28:42 AM »

lol.. try and code that.

straffo · « **Reply #6 on:** March 20, 2002, 10:35:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Wlfgng
lol.. try and code that.

in a crude way : assist for all

(I know it's nasty

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SKurj · « **Reply #7 on:** March 20, 2002, 10:36:17 AM »

Take one o my kills and get over it...

SKurj

mason22 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 20, 2002, 10:38:34 AM »

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Originally posted by hitech
The kill logic is very simple, he who puts the most lethality into a plane gets the kill.

ahhh, one of the true arts of becoming FDB material.....but we like to use beer instead.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #9 on:** March 20, 2002, 11:01:44 AM »

Assists should be rewarded something like .25 perks or something along that line. Right now, you get squat.

minus · « **Reply #10 on:** March 20, 2002, 11:09:06 AM »

how about the .50 caliber owerkill lethality on already dead planes HT

CptTrips · « **Reply #11 on:** March 20, 2002, 11:29:36 AM »

>Assists should be rewarded something like .25 perks or
>something along that line. Right now, you get squat.

I think once agian, Rip has managed to stumble into the truth.

In real war they at least got credited with partial kills.

Wab

Widewing · « **Reply #12 on:** March 20, 2002, 11:52:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Assists should be rewarded something like .25 perks or something along that line. Right now, you get squat.

I believe that we do get fractional perks for assists. But, I don't care about that, having more perks than I'll ever use already.

I care about accuracy. For example, last evening Nath whacked my N1K2 while I was being swarmed by a crowd. I wanted some payback. So, I upped a SpitV and headed to the area where Nath, DMF (who got my Hurricane earlier after I killed a couple of 109s) and the rest of their group were working (south of A35). I located Nath playing tag with some Rooks in his P-38. I worked my way above and behind, and shot off his tail. I got an assist.

Now, can anyone tell me what might constitute greater lethality than having half of your airplane blown off???

Gimme a break!

Anyway, I tracked down DMF and got him too, pinching on the merge. With DMF, that's about the only way to have him in front of you long enough to get a decent shot, and that was about 30 degrees off HO (got the film of both, btw). Man, breaking even is about the best I can do with these guys... Sheesh.

Anywho, enough BS, back to the point. I think that the question of lethality must be resolved to reflect that the person who causes the aircraft to become unflyable, gets the kill. Whether it was damaged prior to that is immaterial. If it could still wobble on home, then it's not dead and the guy/gal who finally knocks it down (becomes unflyable), should get the kill credit.

My regards,

Widewing

Sox62 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 20, 2002, 12:07:52 PM »

I'm just wondering if there would be a way to place code in the game that would disable hits after a plane is no longer flyable.

I'm also getting tired of watching someone dive after a plane I just took the wing off of,spraying away as it spirals in hoping to "steal" a kill.

AKEagle+ · « **Reply #14 on:** March 20, 2002, 12:16:46 PM »

Careful Wab, you and Rip are engaging in logical and linear thinking.

This is Aces High remember??? Such rational thought could cost you your BBS privileges!!! LOL!!

AKEagle+