Author Topic: Is marijuana harmless? (Read 1454 times)

Sandman · « **Reply #15 on:** March 20, 2002, 11:28:32 AM »

For that matter, nothing you ingest is harmless.

Swoop · « **Reply #16 on:** March 20, 2002, 11:28:41 AM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe
Actually, if you smoke a joint you're enhaling the same amount of toxins/carcinogens as a pack of smokes.

Ya know I hear this argument loads and it's rubbish.

How big was the joint? Was it purely grass or a tobacco / grass mix? If tobacco what kind and how much? How was the joint smoked, holding each drag in or just like a cigarette?

If ya roll a joint that uses half of a normal cigarette and a pinch of strong grass.....then smoke it like a cigarette how can it be as bad as a whole pack of cigarettes if it only used the tobacco of half a cigarette?

If ya roll a joint that's 12" long and uses 6 cigarettes worth of tobacco and then ya smoke it holding in each drag for 30 seconds then sure......then it might be as bad as smoking 20 cigarettes. (NOTE: Done it. Takes 20 minutes to roll the joint and 45 minutes to smoke it......and dont try to stand afterwards).

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #17 on:** March 20, 2002, 11:31:47 AM »

You are from Britain, so I shall forgive you Swoop.

Why in the world would you ever smoke tobacco with pot? Roll a joint, use rolling papers.. no tobacky in the equation.. just the wacky tobacky.

A blunt, using a cigar leaf, would have tobacco in it.

And, I'm talking about filtered smokes, not un-filtered smokes. Un-filtered smokes have way more toxins/carcinogens than filtered.

However, this is a joint. The toxins/carcinogens are slightly less with a bowl, and much less if filtered using a water bong.
-SW

Udie · « **Reply #18 on:** March 20, 2002, 11:32:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Wlfgng
and besides, at least one gets a buzz from pot..
what do you get from ciggies? bad breath/cancer... 'bout it.

I used to get a buzz from cigarettes, not a long one, but I'd get dizzy for about 5 minutes after smoking one. Now? I get "unpissed" if I'm stressed, but that's about it.

Got a dude here at work who's an alcoholic. Real sad. He's always late for work, comes in with hangover and alcohol breath, pissed attitude because of hangover. I've never experienced that with the green, and I would consider myself an "alcoholic" pot abuser.

PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY[/i][/u]

My parents taught me that was the most important thing in life. Didn't others?

hblair · « **Reply #19 on:** March 20, 2002, 11:44:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Elfenwolf
Anyone who could somehow conclude that this little girl was murdered because her parents got stoned is almost as pathetic as anyone who wants to turn this tragedy into an anti-pot statement.

You're right. But who is trying to do that?

Ok, we have established some facts.

1. The guy who murdered that little girl is a monster and is soley guilty in her death.

2. Marijuana is not good for your body.

3. Alcohol can be a more dangerous drug than marijuana.

But, what I was getting at in the original post was questioning whether it's good parenting to be smoking dope and/or drinking when you're looking after young ones. Did the ladies consumption of marijuana and/or alcohol impair her judgement when she arrived home and caused her to not check on her children? The husband had smoked marijuana earlier. Could he have perhaps been less sharp to hearing noises in the home? That's what I'm getting at.

Swoop · « **Reply #20 on:** March 20, 2002, 11:47:58 AM »

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Originally posted by AKSWulfe

Why in the world would you ever smoke tobacco with pot?

Sorry I keep forgetting I'm talkin to Yanks.

If you rolled a pure grass joint using some normal Dutch grass like "White Widow" or "Merry Crystal" then you would not be capable of any kind of rational thought, motor control or any other expression other than "Meep". The gutters of the streets in Amsterdam are generally full of American tourists who seem to think they can smoke pure grass joints in Holland.

The nasty, home grown toejame you lads get over there has to be smoked pure or ya wouldnt notice it.

Ok, ok, thats a generalisation but it's still true. Come to Holland and try to smoke it pure if ya dont believe me. Even the soapbar hash we get in Britain is only smokable when mixed......it'll blow your socks off if smoked pure.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #21 on:** March 20, 2002, 11:48:01 AM »

no.. I think it's a scapegoat.

that is, unless the parents were totally drunk or stoned beyond compreshension.

I can speak from experience.. when I got stoned I could hear if something was 'wrong' in the house...unless I was totally unconcious. you know.. like sleep

Wlfgng · « **Reply #22 on:** March 20, 2002, 11:49:05 AM »

swoop .. been there done that.

better not mixed IMO.
just imbide less.

Raubvogel · « **Reply #23 on:** March 20, 2002, 11:50:07 AM »

This isn't a case of pot making someone a dead beat parent, this is a case of deadbeat parents smoking pot....it could have been and the results would have been the same.

As far as toxins/carcinogens from pot?......that's why God invented water bongs.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #24 on:** March 20, 2002, 11:50:18 AM »

I don't know Udie.. the people I see getting fired on a regular basis are frequent mirijuana smokers. And to say that drinking makes you any more/less pissy is definately to be taken on a case by case analysis. BTW... here at work... I've NEVER seen anyone fired for use. Only based on work performance.

I've not met the stoner that was more/less mellow when not lighting up.

The real irony of these pot/alcohol threads is the assumption that its either one or the other. Some of the most prolific pot smokers I've known have always combined it with alcohol. Coincidently, these people were some of the stupidest I have ever met. Not because of what they were doing... but how they acted in general. Complete and total morons.

Use of alcohol and mirijuana have an affect on your life. How much or how little can be dictated and is not consistant from user to user.

AKDejaVu

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #25 on:** March 20, 2002, 11:53:29 AM »

Depends Hb. I already stated that it all depends on your priorities. And obviously their child was not among their priorities.

Maybe the munchies got a hold of their better judgement.......

Prolly not though..

But, would marijuana cause them to not hear noises? Absolutely not, while marijuana dumbs down your reaction time, like alchohol, your auditory awareness is at very high levels.

The question shouldn't be would being under the influence of pot/booze cause you to not be a good parent... the question should be was pot/booze for these people a good idea?

Obviously, if you have a young child that needs to be watched over then both parents should definitely not be under the influence of anything.

Was them being under the influence the cause for their daughter to wander off? Or was it their lack of responsibility or priorities while under the influence that caused this?
-SW

AKSWulfe · « **Reply #26 on:** March 20, 2002, 11:59:43 AM »

Swoop, no denying the stuff I can get my hands on "regularly" here is a far cry from decent.

I don't call it dirt weed for nothing, but every once 'n a while the good stuff comes around. Stuff that makes your fingers sticky just feeling it through the baggy.

Never mixed it though, always straight.

I've pencil packed an ounce into a Philly Blunt and smoked that with 2 other guys. "high as a kite" took on a whole new meaning then.

-SW

Swoop · « **Reply #27 on:** March 20, 2002, 11:59:45 AM »

What Swulfie said.

There's too many unknowns here.

How much had they smoked?
Were they both completely off their faces and incapable of rational thought?
Do they do this often?
Were they aware that the dope was having a major effect and numbing their senses to a point of black out?
Is this all a bunch of crap and they'd had 1 mild joint and the kid woulda been snatched anyway cos the TV was too loud?

We dont know.......but they'll always be the anti-pot crowd who'll claim thats the reason the kid was taken.

midnight Target · « **Reply #28 on:** March 20, 2002, 12:01:07 PM »

Wander Off? I believe the State is going to claim she was kidnapped from her home.

What if the parents were building cabinets in the garage? The marijuana was not a cause of the abduction. How many of you check on your kids regularly after 10 - 11 - 12 at night.

Is marijuana harmful? Yes. I smoked it for at least 15 years and probably never missed a day. I can honestly say I lived a fairly normal life for those 15 years, but it was also far from optimal. I was definitely not at my best, and the MJ was the reason. Anyone who says differently is deluding themselves.

Yeager · « **Reply #29 on:** March 20, 2002, 12:47:43 PM »

Anytime you inhale smoke from burning matter, you are harming yourself.

Smoking anything is just plain stupid. Ingesting THC for medicinal reasons is justifiable and Im confident, worthwhile.