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Offline Udie

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« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2002, 12:50:10 PM »
Originally posted by AKDejaVu
I don't know Udie.. the people I see getting fired on a regular basis are frequent mirijuana smokers.  And to say that drinking makes you any more/less pissy is definately to be taken on a case by case analysis.  BTW... here at work... I've NEVER seen anyone fired for use.  Only based on work performance.

 yeah, I should have said "in my experience" :) To be 100% honest, if I smoke right before I go to bed I wake up with a pot "hangover" though it only consist of being tired, not headache or anything like a booze hangover.



I've not met the stoner that was more/less mellow when not lighting up.

 hehe you should see me in traffic going home after work, then see me 10 min after being home ;)


The real irony of these pot/alcohol threads is the assumption that its either one or the other.  Some of the most prolific pot smokers I've known have always combined it with alcohol.  Coincidently, these people were some of the stupidest I have ever met.  Not because of what they were doing... but how they acted in general.  Complete and total morons.

 I agree 100%! Pot acts like a multiplier to alchol, by a factor of 9 by the way :)  I don't mix unless I'm at home or know I won't be driving at all.  I do have to make the comment that the people might be just as stupid sober, and maybe that's why they use.

Use of alcohol and mirijuana have an affect on your life.  How much or how little can be dictated and is not consistant from user to user.

 true true true.  It all comes down to personal responsibility in the end.  I quit smoking durring the day about 10 years ago.  WOW my career started about 2 months after that.  I know that when I smoked 42/7 that was what I did, it was who I was.  I snapped that if I wanted to get some where in life that I'd have to stop.  So tried and was succesful for a while.  Then I started up again only this time I only use at night, except on the weekends.   I've been doing it this way for 10 years now with success.  Yes there are times when I over do it.  But overall I know when to and when not to use.  Then again I have a "goal" that I'm striving for right now so herb kinda takes a back seat.

but that's just me :)  results may/will vary ;)

 Fact remains that it's alot more safe to use (alone) than alcohol.  You mix booze with most other drugs and there's a good chance you will stop your lungs from working and die.  Not so w/ pot.  The other fact is that it's as dangerous as tabacco to use, but with an actual effect other than cancer.  It's illegal and the other 2 are legal.   I think it's because there are too many ignorant people out there who think they know everything about something they've never even tried.  If they had it would be legal and we wouldn't keep having these threads :)

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« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2002, 12:52:05 PM »
I've never met a pothead I could trust with money - caue they usually have very little and when they get some - it goes for a bag as priority #1.

However if you have a llife of sitting around playing video games I suppose it isn't a real detriment.

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« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2002, 12:58:54 PM »
And those people we call "pathetic" Ratbo.

Truth be told, you walk around DC and you'll find bums sitting around on the streets. Perfectly literate, even capable of making rhymes... and all that goes to is making a rhyme "Gimme some money, so I can go buy a foahtee" As far as I know, Schlitz don't make marijauna in bottles.

There's a lot of people on both sides of the spectrum no matter what. Even people that have never touched drugs can be homeless, this isn't exactly rocket science here. Some people can make it, others can't- drugs (and this includes nicotine and alchohol) only plays into it because these people didn't WANT to not be all effed up in their life and in the end, effed up their life.

If you have the drive/determination to make something of your life, then whatever you do on the sidelines won't interfere with your goals.

Of course, many never got this and these are the poster children for anti-drug posters.

I mean, imagine it. A successful business man running his own company and pulling in $300,000 a year... with a weekend pot habit. That just don't work for the anti-drug people.
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« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2002, 01:01:02 PM »
have to agree with Udie 100%

I had the same experience.. once I stopped being a 'wake-n-baker' I found my career... haven't looked back since.

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« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2002, 01:06:27 PM »
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Originally posted by Ratbo
I've never met a pothead I could trust with money - caue they usually have very little and when they get some - it goes for a bag as priority #1.

However if you have a llife of sitting around playing video games I suppose it isn't a real detriment.

-W


I gotta smile at this one.

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« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2002, 02:01:28 PM »
Hmm lets see.... inhaling smoke is bad for ones lungs...can anyone dispute this???

short term memory impairment???? i i dunno what do you think? All i know is the early 90's are a blur.

exorbitant prices due to a black market creates a financial problem as well..

geez...i guess it is not harmless...

now quit bogarting that joint !!!!!:eek:


However....when is the last time you heard about someone being so stoned they ran down a pedestrian or rammed another car head on?

Or...for that matter...when is the last time you heard of college kids binge smoking themselves into coma or death....



its clearly a complicated matter. personally i think they should either make it legal or make alcohol illegal.. one or the other...but then again..im an just an uneducated american clod...so i must apologize for my humble opinions.

« Last Edit: March 20, 2002, 02:10:09 PM by N1kPaz »

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« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2002, 02:03:51 PM »
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Originally posted by Udie

It all comes down to personal responsibility in the end.  I quit smoking durring the day about 10 years ago.  WOW my career started about 2 months after that.  



Funny, I was a lazy, good for nothin, nasty, bad tempered no hoper workin as a security guard BEFORE I discovered pot.  Then I woke up, went to college, got a propar job (and, notably, got fit) and a career once I started smoking regularly.


Go figure.


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« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2002, 02:22:50 PM »
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Pot is absolutely harmless. Anyone who could somehow conclude that this little girl was murdered because her parents got stoned is almost as pathetic as anyone who wants to turn this tragedy into an anti-pot statement.


yeah no kidding. cheap way to advance your agenda. and no bigger way to show you know zero about the real effects of marijuana. i'm kinda surprised really, i saw the thread title and expected an intelligent argument.

i don't know about 'absolutely' harmless, i mean even coffee carries a health penalty, but the implication that weed caused there child to disappear is plebian at best.

i guess it'd be ok if they were drinking or reaching for a nicotine joint every 10 minutes with a shakey addicted hand.....then the issue would just be their parenting skills.

go watch 'reefer madness' for more truths about marijuana - if you buy this then it's right up your alley - also i'll send you a magic email and if you pass it along to 10 people you'll have good luck all day.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2002, 02:24:51 PM by mrfish »

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« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2002, 02:30:15 PM »
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If you rolled a pure grass joint using some normal Dutch grass like "White Widow" or "Merry Crystal" then you would not be capable of any kind of rational thought, motor control or any other expression other than "Meep".  The gutters of the streets in Amsterdam are generally full of American tourists who seem to think they can smoke pure grass joints in Holland.  



ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!11 OMG, just Spewed water on monitor!  "Meep, Meep" :):)

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« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2002, 02:37:26 PM »
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I mean, imagine it. A successful business man running his own company and pulling in $300,000 a year... with a weekend pot habit. That just don't work for the anti-drug people.


I couldn’t agree more. I actually know one of those “CEO” types, as well as any number of doctors, dentists, lawyers, accountants, the occasional police officer who had to quit only because of drug testing, top salesmen (talk about a motivational career), writers, publishers, more IT people than I can shake a stick at, good mothers and fathers, a chemist, psychologist... well, the list goes on. There is even a study that shows occasional MJ users to have less absenteeism and more productivity than their peers (they probably stick around longer being abused at dead-end jobs too :) ). Lacking real science to support the war on drugs, particularly where MJ is concerned, we are left with heavy-handed propaganda of the “Reefer Madness” ilk.

I have seen cocaine and alcohol ruin people's lives (that I actually know first hand), but I have yet to see marijuana do the same. I have endangered my life and others’ a shameful number of times under the influence of alcohol. However, aggressive tendencies are not associated with MJ, and the burnouts that I have come across struck me as being on the slow track regardless of their drug of choice.

Is MJ a vitamin -- obviously not, though it actually can help in some medical conditions. But it's rather hypocritical to get down on MJ while kicking back with a 6-pack. Hey, if we’re not going to get around to decriminalizing MJ like much of Europe and even Canada seems to be doing, then I DEMAND we re-criminalize alcohol and tobacco too (though tobacco is almost there already). It’s only fair, and it would allow us to further weaken our civil rights while expanding the already bloated, entrenched and monolithic drug bureaucracies and the criminal industrial complex.

The problem is, the anti-drug bureaucracies are so entrenched that a realistic debate on the issue is unlikely. They are already targeting “seizures” based more on the $ value of the property than the potential criminality, with sometimes fatal results. Reducing or refocusing the criminalization effort into a treatment scheme would hurt the DEA/ATF/local police departments in the manpower and budget areas -- anyone who is in charge of something with a budget knows how appealing personally reduced importance and reduced funding are. These efforts will be resisted as strongly as any proposed changes to simplify taxation and reduce the power of the IRS, whether they are needed or not. It’s amazing how much individual liberty we, as citizens, have allowed slip away in the fight against drugs. Probable cause = individual whim now. Just wait until they decide to outlaw handgun ownership, or any number of pet issues that some find important, while others find ridiculous.

Charon
« Last Edit: March 20, 2002, 02:54:30 PM by Charon »

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« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2002, 02:44:26 PM »
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I've never experienced that with the green, and I would consider myself an "alcoholic" pot abuser.


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« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2002, 02:44:48 PM »
I saw a great quote once,

"No-one has ever declared war with a joint in their hand.  The same cannot be said for alcohol."
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« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2002, 03:32:32 PM »
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"No-one has ever declared war with a joint in their hand."




I have.


but then to find me without a joint in hand is pretty rare.


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« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2002, 03:35:19 PM »
what were we just talking about?

:eek: :cool: :D :p :o :D :cool: :eek:

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« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2002, 03:56:09 PM »
we were talking about you makin' a run for munchies...