Author Topic: Request for the, seemingly, upcoming Spitfire F.Mk XIVc (Read 1495 times)

Karnak · « **Reply #15 on:** March 21, 2002, 01:22:46 AM »

BigCrate,

It is much, much easier for them to do a varient of an existing aircraft than it is to do a new aircraft, so a Spit 14 does not equal a P-40.

I agree that a valid case can be made for the P-38, but consider also the late war nature of this game and the fact that the most mordern Spit in AH is from 1942.

The Spit was the main British fighter from 1941 through the end of the war, and there have not been representative Spits for that till now.

There are 5 109s and 5 190s (counting the 152, which I do) because those were the mainline German fighter through the war. Unlike the British planeset, they already had 1944 and even 1945 stuff, not just 1940-1942 stuff.

FWIW, I'd be quite surprised if 1.1 doesn't include a P-40.

J_A_B · « **Reply #16 on:** March 21, 2002, 01:37:37 AM »

"Unlike the British planeset, they already had 1944 and even 1945 stuff, not just 1940-1942 stuff. "

You're forgetting the Typhoon and Tempest, both 1944 planes as modeled in AH and quite British.

J_A_B

Karnak · « **Reply #17 on:** March 21, 2002, 01:41:35 AM »

J_A_B,

No, actualy I'm not.

I was talking about their mainline fighter's representation in AH, the Spitfire. The Typhoon was never considered to really be a fighter and the Tempest was never the mainline fighter during WWII (if ever).

Verm has made valid comments about the Mk XIV not being the best representative of 1944 Spitfires, but it is more representative than the Merlin 61 Spitfire IX we have now. The Spitfire XIV saw service in 1944, unlike the Spitfire F.IX. A Spitfire LF.IX would have been the most representative, but HTC seems to have felt that a perk Spitfire should be very much better than the F.IX free Spitfire.

J_A_B · « **Reply #18 on:** March 21, 2002, 02:20:29 AM »

I know Karnak, I was just yanking your chain

All meant in good humor.

J_A_B

Naudet · « **Reply #19 on:** March 21, 2002, 02:57:01 AM »

Oh, we getting the Spit XIV and as a razorback, that will really be a representative late 1944/1945 RAF plane.

But i must admit as a good old LW whiner. I hope they do the 18lbs. boost pressure/100 Octane variant and not the 25lbs./150 octane variant.

If they do the 1st one i would say it should only be perked at low costs 8-15points, but if they add the later one i would think that 50-60 perks points would be the better choice.

Anyway, one more plane a LW driver has to run from if he meets it co-alt, and this time he can only get away with the D9 or G10 (not including the perk rides).

Edit: Just to make one thing clear. I am for the addition of the Spit XIV, it is just fair to give the RAF one of there late war planes. And i am for the perking of it, just for the gamebalance. Cause as the MA is setup now (and will be for ever i think) a free Spit XIV would badly change the already imbalanced Axis/Allied plane usage of the MA.

gatt · « **Reply #20 on:** March 21, 2002, 05:06:35 AM »

I'm very happy for our RAF friends. AH and his plane set badly needed a late war Spitfire.

And yes, another fighter axis pilots have to extend from

P.S.: now its really time for a P-40 and a light/medium RAF bomber.

P.P.S.: wheres my G.55 "Centauro"? ....

thrila · « **Reply #21 on:** March 21, 2002, 08:04:25 AM »

karnak, there were varients of the spit XIV that had 4*20mm. All spit's with the C wing had the option for 4 20mm cannons.

Pongo · « **Reply #22 on:** March 21, 2002, 10:18:38 AM »

The E wing could take 4 Hispanos. But it was not done on a XIV that I have ever seen or heard. It was not done on E wing Spit VIII, IX or XVIs either. It was done on Spit Vcs.

mauser · « **Reply #23 on:** March 21, 2002, 10:59:48 AM »

If we really are getting the XIV (I guess so since the icon's in the code), then congrats to Karnak and the RAF! You will now have a pretty good plane set for the entire war

mauser

Karnak · « **Reply #24 on:** March 21, 2002, 11:01:19 AM »

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Originally posted by Naudet:
But i must admit as a good old LW whiner. I hope they do the 18lbs. boost pressure/100 Octane variant and not the 25lbs./150 octane variant.

If they do the 1st one i would say it should only be perked at low costs 8-15points, but if they add the later one i would think that 50-60 perks points would be the better choice.

Naudet,

I agree with everything you've said here, except the "luftwhiner" comment.

Thrila,

Pongo is spot on about Spitfire armaments. I have never heard of a post-Spitfire Mk Vc Spit that had 4 20mm cannon until the Spitfire F.21 showed up. They could almost all be equipped that way, but none actually were.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #25 on:** March 21, 2002, 12:43:26 PM »

Congrats Karnak ole buddy!

Now feel free to shut up. Ok?

Apache · « **Reply #26 on:** March 21, 2002, 12:58:12 PM »

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Originally posted by brady
All I am asking is:

Did sombody make this?

Or is this real.

If it is not and all those spit lovers are having their chains pulled I would say I feal your pain and join you all the hunt for this dasterdadly dude.

If it is for real i wonder how much it will cost, 60 like the F4U 4, or more? Spits are a pain as it is I wonder how much it will be....hmmmm

Look no further. I'm the spitV behind the 14.

Replicant · « **Reply #27 on:** March 21, 2002, 02:01:08 PM »

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Originally posted by J_A_B
"Unlike the British planeset, they already had 1944 and even 1945 stuff, not just 1940-1942 stuff. "

You're forgetting the Typhoon and Tempest, both 1944 planes as modeled in AH and quite British.

J_A_B

The Typhoon Ib first entered service with the RAF in early 1942, although the one in Aces High does have the 1943 style canopy (but the plane itself is the same as is the performance - 1942 performance!).

The Lancaster we have in AH has a 1944 rear turret but again the plane and it's performance is from 1942.

The Spitfire IX first entered RAF service in late 1942.

So, for me if the Spit 14 is perked then so should the 190D9, P51D, NIK2J, La7....

Regards

Nexx

Doberman · « **Reply #28 on:** March 21, 2002, 02:41:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Replicant

The Typhoon Ib first entered service with the RAF in early 1942, although the one in Aces High does have the 1943 style canopy (but the plane itself is the same as is the performance - 1942 performance!).

The Lancaster we have in AH has a 1944 rear turret but again the plane and it's performance is from 1942.

The Spitfire IX first entered RAF service in late 1942.

So, for me if the Spit 14 is perked then so should the 190D9, P51D, NIK2J, La7....

Regards

Nexx

Why? It's been stated more than once by HTC that planes are perked due to their unbalancing of the MA, not due to their arrival in the war or thier scarcity. It just happens that most of our perked planes are late model low availability models. None of the above listed planes are particularly unbalancing in the MA.

It remains to be seen whether the 14 would be, though I think it's a given that it'll be at least a low perk cost plane.

D

Tac · « **Reply #29 on:** March 21, 2002, 02:45:05 PM »

oh joy, more spits.