Author Topic: Request for the, seemingly, upcoming Spitfire F.Mk XIVc (Read 1484 times)

J_A_B · « **Reply #30 on:** March 21, 2002, 02:48:03 PM »

"but the plane itself is the same as is the performance - 1942 performance!"

There is also the matter of the 4-blade propeller which wasn't on Typhoons in 1942 and made a distinct improvement in performance, which makes your claim incorrect. Plus 1944 Typhoons didn't have to worry about having their tails randomly fall off. Nevermind that though, as I was merely trolling Karnak in that other post of mine.

Besides, seriously, why do introducation dates matter? WW2 ended more than 50 years ago; when some airplane was introduced to it is irrevelent. What country a plane flew for doesn't matter; nor does its wartime service record. WW2 is history, nothing more.

What matters to AH's perk system is how a given plane will affect the balance in the MA. The D-9, N1K2, P-51D, Spit9, LA7, all those planes balance each other out quite nicely. The 262, F4U-4, F4U-1C, Tempest and 234 (and arguably the 152) do NOT balance out so they're perked. Stupid unimportant irrevelent trivia like numbers produced or introduction dates have nothing to do with it.

Will the Spit 14 fit in with the rest of them? I'll let HTC decide.

J_A_B

salem · « **Reply #31 on:** March 21, 2002, 06:00:22 PM »

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Originally posted by J_A_B
WW2 is history, nothing more.
J_A_B

And nothing less.

AH is a computer game from the late 90's, nothing more.

Not dissing AH; just rather worried by your sense of perspective.

regards,
Salem

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #32 on:** March 21, 2002, 06:55:11 PM »

yeah unperk it and the arena will be full off dweebs

-ammo- · « **Reply #33 on:** March 21, 2002, 07:08:28 PM »

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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
yeah unperk it and the arena will be full off dweebs

The arena is already full of dweebs, so why should tomorrow be any different:)

-ammo- · « **Reply #34 on:** March 21, 2002, 07:10:38 PM »

I hope the one we get is the monster:). Perk or not! We need a true "sputnikfire".

J_A_B · « **Reply #35 on:** March 21, 2002, 08:27:40 PM »

"Not dissing AH; just rather worried by your sense of perspective."

Worry not my friend, my priorities are quite in order. WW2 is far, far more important to human history than AH will ever be.

That though, doesn't change my opinion that what happened in WW2 is of little relevence to the AH MA.

J_A_B

Angus · « **Reply #36 on:** March 23, 2002, 08:28:27 AM »

mmmmmmmmmmm...the Spitfire 14........
I hope it is not going to be the last spit....I'd like 2 more at least.
Firstly the wing clipped Mk IX Lf, and then the Mk21....
The spit XIV is truly a monster, and needs to be perked in AH, simply because how good it is.
Although the deck speed is not that impressive, its acceleration and climb are insane, while the plane still turns equally to the Spitfire Mk IX. Hell, some Spit XIV pilots even allowed the 190's to bounce them, just to get them co-alt, co-E was not the issue. Once they merged, the 190 could not escape upwards, not downwards, and not turn, so the best it could do was roll around until it got shot!!
The G10 may be faster, but with such a tight margin, playing with a spit XIV is a dangerous business.
I wonder how many perks it will cost. I basically think that the perk rides too expensive, say double. But I'll be saving my points for this one, you can bet on it:D

SKurj · « **Reply #37 on:** March 23, 2002, 09:25:39 AM »

Have a pic of a spit VIII with 4 hispanos (wartime) also with modded wings for high alt work

SKurj

SageFIN · « **Reply #38 on:** March 23, 2002, 07:04:53 PM »

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Originally posted by SKurj
Have a pic of a spit VIII with 4 hispanos (wartime) also with modded wings for high alt work

A field refit perhaps? AFAIR Karnak stated that no Spit with 4 hispanos came from the factory after Spit Vc.

SKurj · « **Reply #39 on:** March 24, 2002, 12:38:52 AM »

I have a nice little article comparing the Spit XIV against the Mustang III and the Tempest. Their conclusions:
Above 20k the spit is the better aircraft. Below 20k the Tempest. I'll have to reread it but it seemed to say the Spit and the 51 were equal overall (not considering range)

Perk value for the Spit?? how about and even 50 +)

SKurj

Karnak · « **Reply #40 on:** March 24, 2002, 02:20:56 AM »

It somehow just doesn't strike me as right that the Fw190D-9 (700 built and introduced in Sept, 1944) and P-51D (many thousands built, introduced to service in May, 1944) should be able to be flown in the thousands and not suffer the "gangbang the perk" that the pilots in the Spit XIV (957 buit, introduced in Jan, 1944) will face.

The Ta152H-1 is only 30 points, many fewer were built and it was introduced in Feb, 1945. Its just as fast a low altitude as the Spit 14, if not as good in other areas.

The question is, "Is it appropriate for more that 500 Spitfire XIV sorties per month to occur?"

I think it is. I don't want to see 10,000 or 20,000 or 50,000 sorties, but I do want it to be cheap enough to have fun with and not be unwilling to lose it.

Maybe the average pilot in AH has 1000s of perk points, but I'm willing to bet not. The twin price of being gangbanged by aircraft that are only marginally worse than what you are using and the cost a good percentage of the average pilot's perk points causes the perk planes to be under utilized.

I don't think that the Tempest, Ta152H-1, Spitfire MkXIV or F4U-4 have enough of a performance edge compared to Bf109G-10s, P-51Ds, Fw190D-9s, Typhoons and La-7s to make flying them enjoyable given the gangbang that inevitably results from their appearance at a location. This is amplified by the fact that the pilots are not often used to the performance of the aircraft because they are not able to use them more than a few times a month.

Clearly these aircraft need to be controled, but I think that a more moderate price, such as on the F4U-1C, can do that job just fine while still allowing players to actually have fun with their perk points.

Fun is, after all, what a game is about. Perk points are supposed to be a reward, I have never found any perk plane other than the Me262 or F4U-1C to meet that description.

J_A_B · « **Reply #41 on:** March 24, 2002, 02:45:01 AM »

An enterprising perk-plane pilot can probably use that ganging effect to his advantage. It's more people trying to kill you, true, but it's also that many more targets who probably are willing to take extra chances.

J_A_B

Replicant · « **Reply #42 on:** March 24, 2002, 03:46:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
It somehow just doesn't strike me as right that the Fw190D-9 (700 built and introduced in Sept, 1944) and P-51D (many thousands built, introduced to service in May, 1944) should be able to be flown in the thousands and not suffer the "gangbang the perk" that the pilots in the Spit XIV (957 buit, introduced in Jan, 1944) will face.

The Ta152H-1 is only 30 points, many fewer were built and it was introduced in Feb, 1945. Its just as fast a low altitude as the Spit 14, if not as good in other areas.

The question is, "Is it appropriate for more that 500 Spitfire XIV sorties per month to occur?"

I think it is. I don't want to see 10,000 or 20,000 or 50,000 sorties, but I do want it to be cheap enough to have fun with and not be unwilling to lose it.

Maybe the average pilot in AH has 1000s of perk points, but I'm willing to bet not. The twin price of being gangbanged by aircraft that are only marginally worse than what you are using and the cost a good percentage of the average pilot's perk points causes the perk planes to be under utilized.

I don't think that the Tempest, Ta152H-1, Spitfire MkXIV or F4U-4 have enough of a performance edge compared to Bf109G-10s, P-51Ds, Fw190D-9s, Typhoons and La-7s to make flying them enjoyable given the gangbang that inevitably results from their appearance at a location. This is amplified by the fact that the pilots are not often used to the performance of the aircraft because they are not able to use them more than a few times a month.

Clearly these aircraft need to be controled, but I think that a more moderate price, such as on the F4U-1C, can do that job just fine while still allowing players to actually have fun with their perk points.

Fun is, after all, what a game is about. Perk points are supposed to be a reward, I have never found any perk plane other than the Me262 or F4U-1C to meet that description.

Yup Karnak, I totally agree. I have more than enough fighter perkies but if the Spit 14 is priced over 10, maybe 15, then I will rarely use it. It's not fun taking up a perk plane and flying all conservative when really you want to get deep into the action, start turn fighting rather than boring BnZ. Ok, I have enough points but that's really not the point.

Additionally I also agree that the current perk planes do not hold a significant advantage over some of the unperked planes. The single one that springs to mind is the Tempest. When you compare the La7 and the Tempest they both perform equally well although the Tempest have clearly the better guns. Apart from that then you have to be rather careful when engaging a La7 in a Tempest... which then goes onto this 'flying conservative' thing...

Just imagine a Spit 14 vs a P51D, or even La7, do you all honestly think that the Spit 14 is really that much better than these two aircraft?

Regards

Nexx

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #43 on:** March 24, 2002, 04:34:51 AM »

Naudet · « **Reply #44 on:** March 24, 2002, 08:03:16 AM »

I repeat that i would link the perk price of the Spit XIV too the actual model we get.

If we get the 25lbs. boost/150 octane fuel variant (that was only used for V1 hunting), it should be an expensive perk plane (50-60 perks), cause it combines extrem speeds with G10 like climb, spit IX like turn and Mustang like dive.

On the other hand the 18lbs. boost/100 octane fuel variant should be not much more than 10 perks. It might climb exellent, but it's speed below 20K can be matched by LA7, D9 & G10, and its performance above 20K will be close to P51, TA152.

It still should be perked, cause it is the perfect plane for the MA, and will - when free of charge - outnumber any other plane in the MA in usage.