N1K2J - The miracle chopper

[Sikboy]

No, I honestly didn't notice. But I don't have a stopwatch, and I'll trust that you do. Trying to be fair (and undoubtedly failing) I thought I had more like 5-6 seconds in the E-Pig, vs. 8-9 seconds in the N1k2. But the films are there. Anyone who wishes can judge for themselves.

Funny though:

Originally Exaggerated by Mandoble
At some point, clearly visible from the tower, the N1K2 stopped climbing, but kept nose up, freezed in the sky, pointing at the F6F and then started to fire like mad, still stopped in the air pointing vertically up. The F6F dodged the shoots and the N1K2 simply leveled and performed a 180 degree turn to repeat the vertical spraying zoom

Now; read that post, look at the films. Funny how we've gone from a hoovering, zero E loss N1K2 to counting 9 second verticle climbs under 100mph.  Amazing.

-Sikboy

[MANDOBLE]

What is amazing is your interpretation of what you read. No 0 E loose comments unless I cant even read the most simple english.
And you have a clock measuring secons just in the film player.

Any way, take your own conclussions, as I've stated before I have no interest at all into convincing you about what I see.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE
What is amazing is your interpretation of what you read. No 0 E loose comments unless I cant even read the most simple english.

Yes, I thought this would come up. When you claim that "N1K2 simply leveled and performed a 180 degree turn to repeat the vertical spraying zoom" I took that to mean that it leveled out, turned and repeated the manuever. Not that it dropped 1000 feet, built up 200 mph, and repeated the manuever"
Here's a pretty picture to show you what I thought you were complaining about.  Now that I know what you are complaining it cracks me up that we've spent this much time on it. Thank god I'm getting paid for this.
-Sikboy

[-ammo-]

MAndoble, I started that film when the AC slowed to 100 IAS (for file size). Prior to starting the film I rolled from the runway and accelerated to 200IAS gradually pulling the nose up. The AC was vertical (definition-nose pointing up) for 11 seconds. Firing the guns will not do anything to slow this down. In addition, this is just a cut from the larger film in which I was able climb, stall, recover and repeat all the way to 10K in about 1.5 minutes.  The G10 is the true "chopper monster". As it should be, it has a superior horsepower to weight ratio.

regards

[MANDOBLE]

Sikboy, your interpretation powers are really fascinating. I never posted the video of what I've seen from the tower. So, your "mandoland / what is seen in the film" is just sikboydreamland.

Hey boy, N1k2 is not a glider, it has a 1900hp engine more than capable to speed up the plane without needing to dive away.

The pattern you describe in your nice picture is perfectly possible to achieve with any plane, you only need to be skillfull enough to level your plane when you have still enough control (using flaps or whatever) to not enter in a stall. just level, let the engine to build up E and invert that E (speed) into a new climb.

ammo, why is that firing is not going to do have any braking effect?

[Sikboy]

Whatever, it's not what you did in the film. And for what it's worth I CAN'T take a plane up in a verticle climb, get anyhwere CLOSE to 0mph, and "level out" without losing altitude (about 1000 feet most of the time). You either get your 9 second verticle "hover" or you get to pull out without losing alt. Pick or choose.  And don't call me "boy" love muffin. Go ahead and cry to the moon-rocks if that's whats going to make you feel better, but try not to be too crestfallen when you wake up each morning, and it still isn't changed.

-Sikboy

[Tac]

Ammo, how much did you have to work at keeping the G10's nose up when below 100mph? At what speed did it actually become real hard to keep nose up? (im assuming you had WEP on).

Firing the guns does kick MPH off your plane too.

[Samm]

Mandy this thread has shown the readers that it is obvious that the n1k2 does not do what you claim to have seen one do . But we all knew that from the beginning didn't we ? Indeed the very first reply in this thread raises the BS banner . And while it was entertaining while it lasted this thread has becoming boring .

So please move on, it's time for another Mandoble episode .

[Fatty]

9 seconds mandoble?  Who are you kidding?

I just had to watch it again to see if there was some bit on the end I might have missed.  You must be still counting when the tracers are headed off 90 degrees to the left.  Even counting the stall down you don't ever come close to that, although you probably could have held it longer if you didn't use combat trim.  Had I known it was a timed event I might have even accelerated faster than 100mph before pulling vertical.

Anyway, you have gone far too far off the deep end for even me, I'm off to some other thread.

[SKurj]

LOL well if every second was measured at double the rate..


Seriously though I can hang a HurriC on the prop much longer than I can a NIK.  The NIK comes off the stall easier than the hurriC, but even the hurri is not hard to get back under control.

I find the NIK will drop to the side makin it more difficult to keep pointin up, whereas in the hurri you can hang it there until it drops straight back down tail first.


SKurj

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by Tac
Ammo, how much did you have to work at keeping the G10's nose up when below 100mph? At what speed did it actually become real hard to keep nose up? (im assuming you had WEP on).

Firing the guns does kick MPH off your plane too.

CC, I used alot of rudder and aleron inputs. Yes the guns do affect it, however I dont think enough to take away from the relevancy of it.

[Tac]

Cc. now take a n1k and do the same. Its a tame popsiclecat right up until it hits the 20mph mark. WEP and if you want, guns firing too.

[AmRaaM]

What did you expect,, the damn n1k flies easily at 40ias, will even bank 30 degrees easily at that speed. I've strafed n1ks at rotation and they just follow you up on your 300+ pass. Like the spit being able to rotate 130-140 deg@50ias at apex and maintain level flight then they just cannon you with the outside gun firing inside your turn.