Author Topic: Tactical interdiction (Read 777 times)

ccvi · « **Reply #30 on:** March 25, 2002, 01:25:25 PM »

I don't care about bullets. Should THIS tank be dead or not? (have been 500lbs bombs)
tank in crater of 500lbs bomb

dr1fter · « **Reply #31 on:** March 25, 2002, 01:35:18 PM »

So essentially some people think the following.

The interview I saw was on on discovery wings channel. They interviewed a number of WWII pilots. One of the P47 WWII veteran pilots told two stories.

1. He and I squadron mate were strafing a train. He was lined up on a box car about to start firing his guns. The sides on the box car went down and he was looking at 2 flack guns. He fired a burst disabling one flack gun he said he just was lucky to be lined up on it. His engine began making some very bad noises. He RTB'd to find that a shell had gone through the cowl and struck the engine. It removed a cylinder and he was still able to fly home and land.

2. If we saw german tanks on a hard road we would come in from behind and strafe the roadway just behind the tank. The rounds would ricochet and disable the tank by apparently damaging the engine. He never said what type of tanks they were.

So now some of you obviously do not believe this without someone doing the equations and proving to you that this can happen.

Why though would a decorated WWII veteran lie about something like this?

Drifter

Thrawn · « **Reply #32 on:** March 25, 2002, 01:43:20 PM »

No one is saying he is lying. At worse they are saying he was mistaken in what he thought he saw.

But it is good to hear that decorated WW2 vets are incapable of lying. Do they have some sort of chip in their heads?

Sikboy · « **Reply #33 on:** March 25, 2002, 01:57:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn

But it is good to hear that decorated WW2 vets are incapable of lying. Do they have some sort of chip in their heads?

Yes, and this is why kill claims are so accurate!

-Sikboy

salem · « **Reply #34 on:** March 25, 2002, 03:15:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan

Rudel killed more tnks from the air yhen anyone he did in ju88g with the 37mm.

No doubt a typo, but for future generations of Rudel worshippers out there it should be pointed out that it was an 87G.

regards,
Salem

dr1fter · « **Reply #35 on:** March 25, 2002, 03:32:46 PM »

If you go and check the rear armor and rear hull armor on german light tanks you will find armor anywhere from 2mm to 10mm.

Anyone think a 50 cal round can penetrate that?

If you look at medium or heavy armor then it is doubtful they were taking tanks out with this tactic.

An excellent german armor website is available at

http://www.achtungpanzer.com

Drifter

CptTrips · « **Reply #36 on:** March 25, 2002, 03:41:50 PM »

>If you look at medium or heavy armor then it is doubtful they
>were taking tanks out with this tactic.

Would the Pzr we have in AH be considered light or med or heavy?

Wab

dr1fter · « **Reply #37 on:** March 25, 2002, 04:14:26 PM »

This may be the spec's for the AH panzer. In appearance and armament it matches up. The armor is listed in mm/angle, this is from the achtungpanzer website. It doesnt really cut and paste well as it is in a table form on the website this link might get you there.

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz3.htm#panzer4

Panzerkampfwagen IV

Specifications
Model: Ausf D
(up-armored) Ausf G
Weight: 20000kg 23500kg
Crew: 5 men 5 men
Engine: Maybach HL 120 TRM / 12-cylinder / 300hp Maybach HL 120 TRM / 12-cylinder / 300hp
Speed: Road: 40km/h / Cross-Country: 20km/h Road: 40km/h / Cross-Country: 20km/h
Range: Road: 200km / Cross-Country: 130km Road: 210km / Cross-Country: 130km
Fuel Capacity: 470 litres 470 litres
Lenght: 5.92m (w/o the gun)
5.92m (with the gun) 6.63m (with the gun)
Width: 2.84m 2.88m w/o Schurzen
3.33m with Schurzen
Height: 2.68m 2.68m
Armament: 75mm KwK 37 L/24
2 x 7.92mm MG34
(1 x MG - hull)
(1 x MG - coax) 75mm KwK 40 L/43
2 x 7.92mm MG34
(1 x MG - hull)
(1 x MG - coax)
Ammo: 75mm - 80 rounds
7.92mm - 2700 rounds 75mm - 87 rounds
7.92mm - 2250 rounds
Armor (mm/angle): Front Turret: 30/10
Front Upper Hull: 30/7
Front Lower Hull: 30/12
Side Turret: 20/25
Side Upper Hull: 20/0
Side Lower Hull: 20/0
Rear Turret: 20/0
Rear Upper Hull: 20/9
Rear Lower Hull: 20/10
Turret Top / Bottom: 10/83
Upper Hull Top / Bottom: 12/84
Lower Hull Top / Bottom: 10/90
Gun Mantlet: 35/0 Front Turret: 50/11
Front Upper Hull: 50 or 50+30/10
Front Lower Hull: 50 or 50+30/12
Side Turret: 30/26
Side Upper Hull: 30/0
Side Lower Hull: 30/0
Rear Turret: 30/10
Rear Upper Hull: 20/12
Rear Lower Hull: 20/9
Turret Top / Bottom: 10/83
Upper Hull Top / Bottom: 12/85
Lower Hull Top / Bottom: 10/90
Gun Mantlet: 50/0