Author Topic: C-47 substitutes (prolly again)  (Read 239 times)

Offline MadBirdCZ

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« on: March 26, 2002, 11:56:40 AM »
Really axis should have one and russians one day too. But for axis the options are Ju-52 which has prolly the greatest support of all other candidates but what about the Savoia-Marchetti S.M.82 Marsupiale. It was in service since the begining of the war and remained in service after the was was over. It was used as a transport or bomber (not very often but it could carry some 400kg of bombs). Normally as a transport it could carry up to 40 troops and 400kg of cargo and it carried some guns for self protection (1x 12.7mm and 4x 7.7mm) with max speed of 370 km/h it wouldn't be just a sitting duck...

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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2002, 01:31:32 PM »
I was reading the Germans was the first ones to make a Parachute Plane. It worked on a Island, I forget... Crealand or something.

Anyways, I think the goon planes should be a sitting duck and make it hard to capture. Of course, with teamwork it won't be.

I was with a mission last night in my goon plane, there was like 10 Lancs. and a lot of fighters. I had a clean ride from base to capture. And if there was a little flakkky on the ground, I would just bust out my emerchancy evasive manuvers. Lol.

But it was awsome. Teamwork will get you a clean ride in any plane.

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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2002, 03:09:51 PM »
For the Axis we could have the Gigant.

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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2002, 03:42:21 PM »
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Originally posted by Trinidad
I was reading the Germans was the first ones to make a Parachute Plane.


IIRC it was the Russians.

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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2002, 03:48:09 PM »
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      The first recorded military jump by a soldier was by Mikhail Gromov (Hero of the Soviet Union) in 1927.  At the Sports Festival in 1930, the Soviet Union demonstrated the concept of "Vertical Invasion" by dropping armed soldiers from an airplane via parachutes in order to occupy "an enemy's headquarters."  The following year, the USSR again gave a major demonstration of airborne power to German observers (who were forbidden under the Versailles Treaty from developing their military capabilities) when the Soviet 1st Parachute Landing Unit jumped into Stalingrad.  Within the next four years, the Soviet Union was able to raise and train 30 battalions of paratroopers into three divisions.  These divisions were so well trained and advanced in parachute deployment that they traveled across Europe providing airborne assault demonstrations.  One such demonstration involved a mass drop of over 1500 paratroopers.  Present at that demonstration was General Archibald Wavell (at the time, the British Army's General Staff) who immediately pushed for the development of an organized British airborne force.  He was largely ignored by the British government and military with the exception of Winston Churchill (who, unfortunately was in his wilderness years and listened to by no one).

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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2002, 08:05:40 PM »
[rant mode]
Trying to make some pseudo-PC argument that "country W needs plane X because country Y has plane Z" is spurious at best.  If the planes are identical or nearly so in all respects, then adding the 2nd adds nothing to the game except in the extremely limited context of scenarios and the CT.

Before you get your panties in a bunch, I love scenarios and try to participate in every one of them.  However, substituting one plane for another is such a traditional scenario institution that it doesn't bother me in the least.

What's important is that HTC remain profitable, so that we can all keep flying AH.  In terms of adding new planes, this boils down to whether or not there's a real role for the plane in the MA, because that's where the vast majority of HTC's $$$ comes from.
Thus, there is no reason IMHO to even consider adding a plane just like one already in the game, but which just happens to have a different maker's plate riveted on it.  If there's already one in the MA that does that job, think about what other jobs there are, or what other jobs there could be, instead of trying to reinvent this particular wheel.
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Phew.

All that said, there are some valid alternatives to the C47 that could get into the game.  Things that do the same basic job of "ass and trash" missions but do it differently.  There are planes that are less flexible but have guns, there are planes that can carry more stuff, etc.  Any of these would do something unique to the MA, and thus would be a much better candidate for admission to the planeset than just a C47 by a different name (as in Ju52 like in WB).  For instance:

Albemarle II:  carries 10 troops only, no cargo, but has mid-upper turret with 2 MGs and goes faster.

Stirling IV:  carries only troops, but up to 30 of them, and has a 4-gun tail turret, plus the durability of a 4-engined buff.

C46:  up to 30 troops or 3 loads of cargo or some combination of 3 loads

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« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2002, 04:21:25 PM »
Well, to quote a smart, good looking, and peerless.... er me:

I'll go for an Axis one:

Payload 40 + troops and their equipment, or one fighter (dismantled)

Empty weight 23,259lbs, max 39,727lbs

Armament one .50 and four light mgs. and or , or 8,818lbs as a bomber

Range 1,864 miles

Max speed 230mph, cruising 186mph

Built 400+

S.M. 82 Canguru

As compaired to the Ar 232:
..............S.M. 82....................Ar 232
Number built..400.................9
Top speed......230 mph.........211
Cruse speed..186 mph.........180
Range............1,864 miles.....658 miles
Max takeoff weight minus empty weight
......................16,468 lbs......18,371 lbs

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« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2002, 05:58:04 PM »
I want the Me 323 Gigant...or the Me 321 glider with a tug of two joined He111 :cool: :cool: