still long for the 109k-4 :(

[WhiteHawk]

Well,
  Apparently the Spit14 super duper is going to be here soon:(
Not that i am against having as many models as passobile,
but I have a slight bias against planes that make 98% of the
other planes obselete:( .
  Come on guys, jump on the k-4 bandwagon so we can at
least run from the spit14.

[Raubvogel]

You'll be able to run away from the 14 with the G10 and the Dora (at least you should be able to...haven't checked it out yet).

[Pongo]

The G10 we have is the 605D version, that is almost functionaly identical to a 109K4 with the same engine.

[fd ski]

but I have a slight bias against planes that make 98% of the
other planes obselete:(

Ehehehehe there goes the myth of ever superior german engineering...

[SageFIN]

Originally posted by fd ski



Ehehehehe there goes the myth of ever superior german engineering...

The hell it does. Just look at the 190's. Fully electric and all. Probably even had electric seat warming system and air conditioning. Just plug in a good cd-player and some quality speakers and you're set for as long a sortie as it takes

[Squire]

Maybe we could see a source that gives the 190D-9 or the 109G-10 a speed advantage over the XIV. I cant find one. Thats probably because the 109G-10 (440mph) and the 190D-9 (426mph) were not as fast.

That being said, published speeds are always under suspicion, I will say that the 109G-10 and the SpitXIV were probably very close (within 10mph) of each other at best alt.

As for the 109K-4, for what? it has the same specs as the G-10 for the most part? longing for a K-4, so you can go the same speed as a G-10 but say "hey, im in a K-4"?

I could see having a K if there was no G-10. The LW has all of their fastest WW2 rides, Me262, Arado, Ta152, 190D-9, 109G-10. There isnt anything left save the "secret weapons of the LW" like the Comet and maybe the Do 335 Arrow.

Give us the Stuka, thats what the LW needs.

Regards.

[HoHun]

Hi Squire,

>Maybe we could see a source that gives the 190D-9 or the 109G-10 a speed advantage over the XIV.

If you'd have any source for speed over altitude for the Spitfire XIV, it would be greatly appreciated. I only know Spitfire XIV JF319's curve, which had a Griffon with a non-standard supercharger 1st gear.

In any case, JF319 is slower than the Fw 190D-9 below 20000 ft (comparing Boscombe Down numbers to Focke-Wulf manufacturer numbers), and the Me 109K-4 is faster than JF319 up to about 24000 ft (according to Green's WW2 aircraft series).

>Thats probably because the 109G-10 (440mph) and the 190D-9 (426mph) were not as fast.

The Spitfire XIV's absolute top speed was higher. However, as pointed out above, that didn't prevent the "slower" German aircraft from being faster at the same altitude over a meaningful part of the altitude range.

>As for the 109K-4, for what?

You named the reason yourself: because the 109G-10 (440mph) was not as fast ;-) The Me 109K-4 achieved 452 mph.

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

[illo]

Originally posted by SageFIN


The hell it does. Just look at the 190's. Fully electric and all. Probably even had electric seat warming system and air conditioning. Just plug in a good cd-player and some quality speakers and you're set for as long a sortie as it takes

I second that!

Give LW the 190A-6!

[Raubvogel]

Originally posted by Squire
Maybe we could see a source that gives the 190D-9 or the 109G-10 a speed advantage over the XIV. I cant find one. Thats probably because the 109G-10 (440mph) and the 190D-9 (426mph) were not as fast.


Regards.

At the altitudes that count in AH, both the G10 and Dora are faster than the Spit14.

[Squire]

All a/c of course peaked at different alts, so yes, it always depends on that.

In any case, the 190D-9 and 109G-10 im sure can fight XIVs and give a good account, at some point it becomes splitting hairs anyways.

Here is one good site:  http://www.kotfsc.com/aircraft/bf-109.htm

Has a lot of info. Have a look at the speed between the K-4 and the K-14.

[WhiteHawk]

Yes
  the manuals or books that I have read shows the k-4 as
452-454mph.  Obviously being 8mph slower than a plane
that can outturn, and outclimb, my plane(g10) is wayyy worse than being 4 to 6 mph faster(k4).

[butch2k]

the 452mph mark was achieved at 6000 with MW-50, w/o MW-50 it achieved a top speed of 422mph at 8300m.

[Squire]

I suppose, just remember the speed advantage was over a narrow band of altitude. It wouldnt hurt my feelings if they gave a K-4 , I just wouldnt be surprised if it was almost identical, except for a few mph at optimum alt, to a G-10.

But, hey, bring em all in, you cant have too many a/c anyways. I hope they add a few more varients for the P-38, it seems to be left out right now for multiple sub types, being a very important USAAF fighter.

Regards.

[Viper17]

forget new fighters. we need the He111 Stuka Ju-52 me-163 Fw-200. 88 is a siting duck to those toejamfiers