prop driven perk planes are too expensive cept f4u1c :)

[Citabria]

they are never in the MA and never ever in a dogfight.

the only place you see them is high above everything flying very timidly.

the f4u1c has the best results for a perked fighter. its priced low enough to allow people to be brave enough to use it to dogfight.

perk points on f4u4, tempest, spit14, ta152 are all too high for most players to think about usign more than once in a year




HTC please review the perk point cost of these planes.


(me262 is fine at its high 200 perk cost and f4u1c is priced perfectly)  

[J_A_B]

Maybe people just value their points too much.  If I were to take up a perk plane, I'd fly it no differently than I fly any other airplane.   Losing some points in a computer game isn't going to affect me.

There's also the possability (probability?) that another reason you don't see many prop-driven perkplanes is most people prefer to either save up for a 262, or not spend their perks at all.  


J_A_B

[SKurj]

My vote...

Cut all perk costs in half (cept for F4u1C)


SKurj

[pimpjoe]

i agree. we were just talking about this tonight. the perk planes besides the 262 are WAY over priced. they almost never get used.

i was thinking maybe something like having them all around 10-15 perks. and maybe have the spit9, p51D, and la7 at about 1 perk. fester's right on. the F4U1C is a perfect example of a well perked plane.

my .02

[Karnak]

I agree absolutely (well, 262 and 234 could be dropped a bit).

The perked prop fighters only enjoy a very marginal performance advantage over the likes of the La-7, P-51D, Fw190D-9, Bf109G-10 and Typhoon.  Most (not BB frequent posters) players only earn perk points at a very, very slow rate.  So slow that a Tempest is a once or twice a month extravaganza, that is "rewarded" by a "Gangbang the rare plane" event that their skills and lack of familiarity with their plane leave them ill equipped to deal with.

Either that or they fly incredibly conservatively.  I have 325 perk points as of now, when I flew the Spit XIV today I climbed high and found the enemy attacking our base.  Among them were 2 La-7s, a P-51D and an N1K2.  I tried to get the La-7s, but they'd always break into a diving turn.  I knew that if I followed I'd never, ever get out.  La-7s and P-51s being faster than Spit XIVs.  I tried to get a shot, but took absolutely no chances.

I landed it later with every round of ammunition still onboard.

The perk fighters just aren't that much of a reward, especially when the gangbang is factored in.

The current prices don't control these fighters, they eliminate them.

My suggestion:

F4U-1C: 8 points
Ta152H-1: 12 points
F4U-4: 16 points
Spitfire Mk XIV: 16 points
Tempest: 20 points
Ar234: 25 points
Me262: 100 points

If these prices don't adequately control the populations of these aircraft, then raise them.  Right now they are scenario aircraft only it seems. They are priced out of most player's reach, yet the prop perk fighters are barely better than the top end free fighters.

[Urchin]

A new Spirit of Detente has been reached between the Luftwhiners and the Spitdweebs.  Well, maybe not all the Luftwhiners, cause there are a lot of little factions of us (we are a lot like Arabs like that ).  I agree 100% with Karnaks post.  I also still think a Spit IX LF should be introduced either free or at a minimal perk cost (like 6-8) and without the gangbang icons to give Spit fans a slightly better plane that would be good for common use.

[leitwolf]

[..]perk points on f4u4, tempest, spit14, ta152 are all too high [..]

Amen!

[FDutchmn]

are you guys saying you guys don't have enough perk points to fly these planes?

[GRUNHERZ]

I barely ever see perk planes...... Then again I dont fly much either the past few months.

[Citabria]

f4u1c is the only perk aircraft i ever see mixing it up in the furballs down and dirty.


perk planes dont need to be exensive to be kept in check and the f4u1c is proof.

many people wont fly perk planes because they know they are gonna get shot down and they dont want to fly into a bad situation and loose more than a few perk points for their predicament.


me262 is fine at 200 perk points, I see them all the time because their performance is high above prop driven aircraft making them near invincible, and the high price of them makes it fun to hunt 262s with a 262

but prop driven perks are further relegated to nonuse do to the fact that save save their perks to use the uber 262 and dont want to waste any on prop perks.

my insight into aircraft usage and ah player (dweeb) psyche has produced the following wll balanced perk point costs for prop driven planes:


Tempest: 30
f4u4: 25
spitXIV: 20
ta152: 15

[Seeker]

They cost too much in the current time of unreliable connections.

Disco'd twice in a Spit14 last night - that's no fun for any one.

Seeker

[ergRTC]

Dont fly MA, but maybe I would if Karnaks point lineup was added.

[Soda]

Everyone flys their perk planes too timidly because of the cost.  Nobody ever uses them to attack GV's, or de-ack a field, or rarely to attack bombers because all these things are too dangerous and the risk to lose the perkies is too high.  Instead they just hang out at 25K waiting for lone cons to jump and run away before they even engage if the situation doesn't look 100% in their favor.

The C-Hog was a perfect example of perking, you could earn enough points in a single sortie to get to ride one, so you weren't worried about strafing GV's in it and losing it.  Besides, it basically cut the bbs traffic in half with the loss of all the "The C-Hog scourge" threads.  I see C-Hogs fairly frequently, but not exclusively like it used to be.  Even the average player, or infrequent player, can still earn enough to ride one at least once an evening.  As it is now that's not the case for planes in the 60 perk range.

I'd love to see the numbers dropped a bit, something around Cit's and Karnaks numbers.  If people are worried about the fact that some people might be able to fly exclusively perks, well, it doesn't happen in the C-Hog, and the perk earning potential in these planes is basically nil.  You'd need better than a 20:1 kill ratio just to ensure you could stay in the seat of a perk ride.

-Soda

[Pongo]

I second Urchins thought on the Spit IXlf(or Spit XVIe)
I like citabrias list...it would be interesting to see the effect on the game...lets try it.
And at the same time...
Put a light perk on the Lanc and B17.....

[ergRTC]

light perk on the big bombers?  Didnt think of that but it worked well in the CT.