Attack on Iraq Imminent

[Voss]

It saddens me to see this thread degrade in the direction it has gone.

This is pretty simple, really. We are at war against terrorism. Saddam is one of the worst and most corrupt leaders in the region, but his support of terrorism will be his undoing. His regime will fall very quickly.

Anyway, anything can happen. Let's hope we knock out Saddam and the rest of the region says a collective "Oh, toejam!" and rush off to sort sand.

However, I expect Iraq will be just the first paragraph in the book of World War III. Failing that, this war against terrorism will still continue for decades.

North Korea will still be waiting. Maybe Bush can pull a 'Reagan' and embarass them into tearing down the DMZ. Somehow, I doubt we get the chance.

[Wotan]

I am not listening to any Zionist bs propaganda....

The palestinians are fighting with the tools they have. Fact is the world sold out the palestinians, the Jews in Israel have terrorized them with the tools they have.

Those tools were supplied by the US. The world recognizes Zionism as a racist ideology and is so as much as Nazism was.

The Israeli government is not intertested in peaceful co-existance even a diaspora Jew like caligula stated in a previous thread that he wants the palestinians out of the land of the Jews because God said it was his.

The Jews in Israel used the same terror tactics prior to becoming a state. They bombed and murdered innocents to get what they want. They have stole land that was never theirs they put palestinians in camps and allowed them to starve to death. They attack and kill "innocent" palestinians.

So the palestinians want alittle pay back...Wouldn't you?

Either we should cut support for Israel or offer that same support to the palestinians.

I dont care what you Zionist apologist think about it. Israel is not our allie. They use us for weapons and cash. They provide the US with nothing. They are not a democracy in the same sence we are. They do nothing to protect the rights of non Jews living under Israeli rule.  

Don't come here spewing some non sense about poor Israel. They made their own bed let them lay in it.

I will tell you this had I been been forced to endure what the palestinians had to then peace be damned there would be no "get along just to get along" I wouldn't stop till my pay back was satisfied.

If peace was your only concern then give up. Your damn right the palestinians dont want peace they want freedom from their Zionist opressors. and yeah some want so pay back.

Would you tell a pole that in the interest of peace he oughta except Nazism as his master...........

[~Caligula~]

uhumm..

[mrfish]

Originally posted by ~Caligula~

I try to do as much as I can to counter the arab propaganda,that is picturing my people as bloodsucking vampires,and them as the innocent victims of this whole deal.
 

that's too much. that's like a democrat saying they to come on tom brokaw's show for equal time.

the last half century has been a propaganda dousing from israel via there purchased puppets and the sap happy media. now you've got americans waking up and rubbing their eyes and saying 'wait a second'. not just the few who could see all along but now droves....

israel's deeds are too great to be spun away any more. the media has turned on you because now it gets better ratings sympathizing with the arabs!

see how roadkill is  double edge sword? go ahead though, i love how you can go from threats to kumbaya in less than a second. it's like the evil computer right before it blows up or something.... keep trying, eventually just the right face will pop up....

[weazel]

the arab propaganda,that is picturing my people as bloodsucking vampires,and them as the innocent victims of this whole deal.

Propaganda....or the truth?  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know who is right and who is wrong.

The Israeli "bloodsuckers" are reaping what they have sowed.  

Take away a mans land, lock him up in a camp, starve him and his family, take away his hopes, aspirations, dreams of a decent future for his children, treat him like an animal and what do you get?

You get terrorists willing to strap bombs to their bodies or fly plane loads of innocents into buildings, even that dumb bellybutton shrub is smart enough to see the outcome of these policies.

The question is will he be man enough to stand up to the hand wringing Israeli lobbyists when they play their worn out Holocaust card again and ask for more hand outs from America?

It`s shadowed by the "passover massacre" but there was another shooting by terrorists,where a 9 months old little girl was murdered. What did she have to do with anything?

Care to compare the "body count" of Palestinians murdered by the animals you support, or does your compassion only extend to the poor misunderstood Israelis?

Gods "Chosen People" my ass.

Edit:

If You read trough this tread,You can see these people here are only knit-picking on my posts and totally disregard the facts that prove Israel`s and the jewish people`s righteousness.

Care to *show* us "the facts that prove Israel`s and the jewish people`s righteousness"?

I haven't seen any, or does the blood on their hands wash them clean of sin?

Animals.

[~Caligula~]

Were you there when all those were massacred by the jews?
Are there any pictures,film footage,or any other credible documents proving these crimes really happened?
That is exactly the kind of arab propaganda I`m talking about.
In a major Saudi newspaper (I get this from newsweek) they described purim and passover,where jews use the blood of childeren,and muslim men are tortured to death in barrels with spikes inside,in a ritual manner.
I just got home from passover dinner,and there was no blood neither any kind of torture.
Arabs are liars.Look at Arafat, he says one thing in english,than says something totally different in arabic.Like all the rest of the world were idiots,and we couldn`t figure out he`s dirty scams.

Just tune in to CNN,and see it yourself.
Ohhh..off course CNN is controlled by jews...huh?..nevermind

[GRUNHERZ]

Caligula:

How are the Palestenian terrorist today any different thn the Jewish terrorists of the 1930s and 1940s?

Or did the King David Hotel and all the other things just blow up by themselves?

[weazel]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Caligula:

How are the Palestenian terrorist today any different thn the Jewish terrorists of the 1930s and 1940s?

Or did the King David Hotel and all the other things just blow up by themselves?

He's not interested in pointing his self righteous high powered microscope at the "innocent lambs of god" Israelites.

Thieves of an indigenous peoples land, murderers and oppressors of those people, and yet they pretend they are the victims.  

Guess what?  People with any common sense aren't buying the "poor, poor, pitiful me" sob story anymore, it's time for Israel to clean up their act or face the consequences......... ALONE.

Animals

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by weazel
Maybe if the israelies gave back the land they STOLE from the Palestinians it would stop?

You have to decide what country owns what territory before you can make bold statements regarding any occupation or "theft".

Before we even start, are you basing that statement on the 1975 Helsinki final act of the Conference of Security and Co-operation? Because if you dont, I want you to tell me who decides what country owns what territory. And if you base your statement on the Helsinki final act, where does that leave the Palestinians in their demand for a country of their own?

After you have made up your mind on what territory is occupied/stolen, and from whom? You can go on to the question which law is governing the alleged occupied territory, and if the answer to that question is the occupant, then what conclusions can be drawn from that?

IF you say that the territory is occupied or stolen by Israel, you MUST answer the question "who owned it before it was occupied". Now, lets suppose you answer that question with "Palestine". (Im gonna be real nice here, so instead of diving in on you after you answer that, Im gonna tell you what the problem is). Problem is that there never was an independent country named Palestine. You had a British protectorate, which was divided into two parts "Israel" and "Palestine". The part called "Palestine" was immediately conquered by Egypt and Jordan. The part called "Israel" survived. Everyone basically agrees that the "state" of Palestine never existed, Egypt and Jordan absorbed its territory. In another war 20 yrs later Israel conquered the territory from the new owners. Now I ask you, the West Bank and the Gaza strip... who owned it before Israel conquered it? Jordan, Egypt or "Palestine"?

If you claim that Israel occupies Palestinian territory, then you have effectively created a vaccum, because Palestine does not exist, and it has indeed never existed. That would mean that Israel "occupies" land that doesn't belong to anyone. And in such a case, the territory occupied is considered a part of the occupying country. Clearly you would not want that, so you must find some other way. How about Jordan then? After the 48-war, Jordan occupied the west bank and claimed ownership over the territory. Problem with that line of argument is that nowadays states never recognize aggressive warfare as a legal way to increase your country's territory. And besides, Jordan has stated that the river Jordan is her western border. That would mean that the west bank is abandoned territory, and thus it belongs to the country claiming it by occupation. And again, Israel owns the west bank.

Leaving all that legal complexity aside (its complicated huh…and no fun either), it should be pretty obvious that Israel currently "owns" the west bank. Israeli law is applicable on the territory, it is defended by Israeli armed forces, and no other country claims any legal rights to that territory.

You cant steal something that has no owner. Tough huh?

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
How are the Palestenian terrorist today any different thn the Jewish terrorists of the 1930s and 1940s?
 

Does it matter?

If you look back through history long enough, you will find terrorists or freedomfighters everywhere. In fact, I think every single nation on this earth has had such an organization play a vital part at some point in its history.

The label you choose to put on the organization (i e "terrorist" or "freedomfighter") will only be decided by your own point of view...your own sympathies. The entire question is flawed.

[Ping]

My history is fuzzy here...Did not Egypt and friends start the war that gave Israel its current extended borders?

 Dont get me wrong, I support neither the Palestinians' or the Israeli's in their Terroristic actions.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Ping
My history is fuzzy here...Did not Egypt and friends start the war that gave Israel its current extended borders?

 Dont get me wrong, I support neither the Palestinians' or the Israeli's in their Terroristic actions.

Well, that kinda depends on what war you are talking about.

The 1967 war was technically started by Israel. But it was a preemptive strike in self defence, and those are accepted by international law. It was after 67 that Israel claimed the west bank and Gaza strip.

In 1973 and 1948 the wars were started by Egypt & Co.

[Ping]

Thanx for the quick response.

 My thoughts on the Is/Pal issue are that there will be no quick settlement. The Hate is to deeply ingrained on both sides.
 Look how long the slavery issue/native american issue is taking to resolve in America.

 As for Iraq, Of what benefit would there be in taking out Iraq?
 World opinion seems to be Dont go there. The Arab league should be given the power to Police their own Rogue Nations.
 Seems that Saudi Arabia has put forward a reasonable peace plan, did it not?

 Of course all this relies on Everyone using common sense and then abiding by International Law

[Wotan]

Israel removed palestinians from their homes restricted them to reservations and did so with force. There may not have been an independent palestinian state but the people who owned property certainly they were robbed.

Palestine may never have been a country but they are a nation. They share the same beliefs culture religous law etc. They were only  not a "country" by name.

Dont bring up the American indians or none of that because theres nothing any of us can do about that or any other situation like that. We can however look at whats happening now and know that its wrong.

Israel was born out the same terror it now faces. The difference is they they brought in on them selves. If they want it to stop then give up. If not then reap what you sow.


Palestine was stolen by the Iraelis there is no doudt about that. Whether they did it under the guise of international or religous law or with the machine gun the results the same. A people unwillingly dispossessed of their land, their homes buisnesses etc. On top of that they are denied jobs or any semblence of protection under Israeli law. They are rounded up put in camps to starve and locked in reservations without any freedom of movement. They are machine gunned down by Israeli forces.

The point is that that territory is disputed and the US backs one side and turns a blind eye to Israeli violence against "innocent" palestinian civilians.

You can kick a dog only so much till he bites back. The palestinians can only strike back with the tools they have.

Call it an insurrection, rebellion, civil war what ever but the palestinians are hardly the aggressor.

The Israelis bulldozed numerous palestinian homes and villages and pushed them into a smaller and smaller section of land.

The state of Israel never had any intent on living peacfully among arabs.

Weazel's right the whole lot of them are animals each walking around pissin on each other. I say leave umm to it. Just my country ought not be subsidizing one side.

But damn I aint gonna listen to a sob story about poor Israel.

A Israeli life is no more important then a palestinian.

I am sure Caligula will tell ya  an Israeli is because they are Gods people and the palestinians are nothing but cattle. Maybe not it all depends on the face hes wearing next time he makes a reply.

[Wotan]

Just read esther if ya want to know about the feast of purim.

How many goy were slain on the word of a jewish potato and her family?

You dont need to read anything else. Take it from the Jews themselves.