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~Caligula~ · « **Reply #75 on:** March 28, 2002, 06:15:04 PM »

Why do the palestinians place their bomb factories in schools?
Because when they get popped,they can rant about all the kids that died there.Sounds pretty sick to me.
The difference between the terrorist and the freedom fighter:
Freedom fighter targets military targets.
Terrorist targets civilians.
It`s that simple...

Tumor · « **Reply #76 on:** March 28, 2002, 06:23:04 PM »

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Originally posted by weazel
Do you support the suicide bombers? They are what's driving this hole thing now and keeping themselves from formal statehood.

Hell no, of course not...but by the same token I cannot support what the Israelies do either.

Nor do i support a government that exacerbates the situation by arming the Israelies to the teeth so they can kill rock throwing children.....our government.

If we truly are going to wage war on terrorism it must be even handed...and that means Israel should go on "The List" too, otherwise we expose ourselves as hypocrites.

The only real solution IMO is to let them wipe each other out, neither side is willing to compromise on the basic issues that cause the problems.

At any rate it's wayyyyyyy past time for the US government to "kick the dust from their feet", our relationship with Israel is not only one sided but counter-productive to Americas best interests.

weazel
Pick up a freekin history book and see if you can't figure out why we support Isreal and why that is not going to change. Hell we all know the only reason you whine about it is you hate anything the U.S. does anyway. Your garbage really gets old after awhile.

Ping · « **Reply #77 on:** March 28, 2002, 06:25:40 PM »

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Originally posted by ~Caligula~
Freedom fighter targets military targets.
Terrorist targets civilians.
It`s that simple...

Simple???? Dresden! Hiroshima! London! Its not ancient history here. We all know people involved in these TERRORIST activities.
Targeting of innocent civilians is a terrorist act. Then when does it become acceptable, as an act of war?
Define terrorism and then decide whether or not your host country is guilty of it.

A devils advocate at work.

weazel · « **Reply #78 on:** March 28, 2002, 06:36:27 PM »

The only thing "getting old" is your blind bellybutton ultra right wing knee jerk anytime someone doesn't agree with your despicable politics.

Face it.... your just another loser who jumped on the *conservative* bandwagon, if you ever posted an original thought I would probably fall over with a heart attack.

Tell me, why do some Americans support Israel?

IMO your no different than the animals killing the rock throwing kids by giving them your support.

I don't hate the US...I only hate the rat faced scum who pretends to be our leader, and the boot licking lackeys that fawn all over him.

Does his shoe polish have a nice flavor?

Ping · « **Reply #79 on:** March 28, 2002, 06:50:34 PM »

Weazel...be nice...or as Abe lincoln said in Bill and Teds's.."Be Excellent to each other"

Hmmm...alcohol seems to be kickin in..OOOODDDDiiiiieeee...you may wanna light another doooby

Udie · « **Reply #80 on:** March 28, 2002, 09:20:12 PM »

Originally posted by babek-

1. Military targets ?
Surely not. Only few of the targets were military targets. The rest of the civilian infrastructure which has been teared down by the israeli military mob were buildings like schools, police stations or simple houses of people.

To call these "military targets" is like to call the Nazi terror operations in the occupied territories in WW2 "legitime police actions".

To be honest I haven't seen schools or hospitals being destroyed by Isreal. I'm not saying they haven't, but I haven't seen it on the news. But when the terrorist use those places to hide I can understand why they would be destroyed. The police stations are military targets because they are part of the terrorist network.

2. Dont misunderstand me: I also condemn the terroristic actions of the palestines. But it must beallowed to ask the question how these people became so desperate and fanatic that they are willing to blow themself up - just in the hope to take as much Israelis with them as possible.

Right, I'm not saying that Isreal is 100% correct in their actions. I'm just saying they are acting in self defense. They make mistakes on how to react and in the perseption that gives the rest of the world. The excuse I give them is that they are fighting for their lives and they don't intentionaly go after civilians like the palestinians do, at least I believe they don't. But

If I were a 18 yr old Palestinian in those conditions I would probobly be pissed enough for war too. So I can see their point of view, but I will not agree with it while they use such tactics, which they have as long as I can remember.

Maybe you are right - maybe the palestines have become barbarians. But I say that they were transdormed to mad fanatics by israeli mad fanatics like Sharon.

Here's where I disagree with that statement. Isreal always gets the blame when it realy should go to the rest of the arab world. If you look at the history I think you will see that the arabs have done them much more harm than the Isreali's. There are Palestinian refugees in Lebenon. They are treated the same way the Isreali's treated them before the new jihad. They don't have the same rights as a Lebanese. Yet this is never said.

There are surely intelligent and peaceful palestinians and israelis. But in the actual heated situation they have no chance to act - especially when the superpower USA continues to ignore the daily israeli terrorism and only condemn the terrorism of the palestines.

People say one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. I say to you one man's terrorist is another man's defence figher. The US does not ignore the Palestinians either. Do you think Isreal would be this restrained without the US? Would any country?

3. The dancing palestines.
Does it surprise you that in german TV they showed pictures of dancing south americans, when they heared about the terrorist act of the WTC-massacre ?

I have never heard this. If it's true I hope we cancel all aid to those countries.

In the whole world there are stupid people who start to dance only because innocents die.

But to conclude that all palestines or arabs were happy when the WTC was destroyed is nothing more than a primitive propaganda act.

Well it works.

Every normal human being - and I consider that the most people in this world of ALL nations, religions and races are ment by this definition - were shocked and ashamed when they heared about this waste of lifes.

we agree

4. Why they coexiste in the USA?
This was the most impressive question, because it has the solution of the whole problem within.

People just want to live - they want to see their children live under safe circumstances and to get some happiness in life.

As long as they are not manipulated and thrown in a circle of hate this concept works.

The IRA/NorthIreland conflict showed us, how hate brought white christians to hate each others and to kill themself.
The ETA conflict shows similiar problems in Spain.
The PKK conflict those of the Kurds in Turkey.
The hate between Serbs/Bosnians/Croatians in x-Yugoslavia was also escalated by Milosevic.

And so on...

The Israeli / Palestine conflict is a special case in this endless row of stupid conflicts, because whole generations in this regions have only learned pain (by personal losses) and hate.

With every day it becomes more difficult to stop this circle of violence.

And military actions could do nothing to stop this circle - in contrary - they just produce new hate and pain and wish for revenge.

To ignore the open israeli terrorism is in my opinion the worst mistake which could be made.

I like the idea to fight terrorism in the whole world very much.
But then you have to fight ALL the terrorism and terroristic regime.

And the actual israeli government and policy is definitivly as terroristic as the policy of Saddam´s or Milosevic´s was.

The only thing I can disagree with is "Isreali terrorism". If there were no suicide bombings yes what Isreal has done in self defence could be considered terrorism. I hope there's an answer to this problem. But judging by the wars in this forum over this issue I fear that this could end the entire world in a short time

Maybe we need to move both of them out of that land? Maybe we need to just let them go at it and let one of them die as a people. Maybe we need to just nuke the whole freakin region and let God sort it out. I don't know.

Let me ask people this question. Who thinks there's a HUGE war about to happen on this planet?

i do

21st century and it's not much diferent than the 1st century.

Udie · « **Reply #81 on:** March 28, 2002, 09:21:33 PM »

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Originally posted by Ping
Weazel...be nice...or as Abe lincoln said in Bill and Teds's.."Be Excellent to each other"

Hmmm...alcohol seems to be kickin in..OOOODDDDiiiiieeee...you may wanna light another doooby

meep

Tumor · « **Reply #82 on:** March 28, 2002, 10:01:32 PM »

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Originally posted by weazel
The only thing "getting old" is your blind bellybutton ultra right wing knee jerk anytime someone doesn't agree with your despicable politics.

Face it.... your just another loser who jumped on the *conservative* bandwagon, if you ever posted an original thought I would probably fall over with a heart attack.

Tell me, why do some Americans support Israel?

IMO your no different than the animals killing the rock throwing kids by giving them your support.

I don't hate the US...I only hate the rat faced scum who pretends to be our leader, and the boot licking lackeys that fawn all over him.

Does his shoe polish have a nice flavor?

LOLOL...who saw THAT coming? Weazy, if you ever get over being mad about your potato president having to leave office due to term limits and his crying sidekick LOSING the election, you might actually be able to voice an intelligent opinion on world politics. Let it go man...JUST let it go lol. As it is now you'll get in bed with anyone or anything anti-American. Do you EVER even THINK about anything but whining about your government?

Wotan · « **Reply #83 on:** March 28, 2002, 10:02:13 PM »

Sir Richard Francis Burton's The Jew, The Gypsy, and El Islam
in the chapters entitled "The Jew and the Talmud" and "The Continuity of Tradtion" give a scholarly, objective and dignified view on the relations between Jews and Gentiles.

The anti-Zionist American Jew Benjamin Freedman in the book Facts are Facts published in 1955 review fully the origin, content and authoritative status of the Talmud.

Both Freedmon and Burton are in agreement and quote extensively from Talmud text. Many of them can only be described as rabidly racist, full of the fiercest hatred of Gentiles.

It asserts that the Jews alone are the children of God (priestly caste), that they alone are men, human beings, that Gentiles are only a higher order of cattle (goy) meant to be milked by Jews, that they exist to be the tools and Slaves of Jews, that to a Gentile a Jew is under no moral obligation what ever: he may lie to him, make promises and give pledges to him that he has no intention of keeping, may cheat him, rob him, even murder him - and morally it is all right, all right before his God.

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Slay thou the best amoung the Gentiles, and of the best of serpents bruise the head

Zionists push for the imperialistic expansion of Isreal at the expense of the Gentile (goy) Palestinians.

Can you recite Kol Nidre for us?

I am not gonna fill this thread up but the fact is you came here with this post to exact sympathy for those poor unfortunate Jews who suffer under the evil Palestinian terrorists. Leaving out the racist Zionist philosphy that has brought this on. Also ignoring the terror of Isreal on the Palestinians.

I'll leave you with a quote from Ben Gurions Diary dated May 21 1947....it may shed some light on why arabs have opposed Isreal from the beggining.

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The Achilles Heel of the Arab coalition is Lebanon. Muslim supremacy in this country is artificial and can easily be overthrown. A Christian State ought to be set up there.....We would sign a treaty of Alliance with this State. Thus when we have broken the strength of the Arab Legion and bombed Amman, we could wipe out Transjordan; after that Syria would fall. And if Egypt still dared make war with us, we would bomb Port Said, Alexandria and Chaldea on behalf of our Ancestors....

The Zionist state of Israel never had any intention of living "peacefully" amoung Arabs. What Gurion described about Lebanon was what happened later on. It ended up costing America much more then money. It joined us with the Christian Revolutionaries in lebanon and their backers Isreal. As a result the Marine barracks there was made a target.

The Zionist state of Israel was born out of terrorism and it wallows in it today. Except that America has chosen to back the oneside and that makes us enemies of the Arab world.

I am not a Talmudic Scholar thats for sure , I wouldnt be able to stomach the training, but I have read enough to know what drives the Zionist. Its the same thing that drove the Nazi.....hatred for everything that doesn't orignate from its own.

Lets face it Israel would still be killing Palestinians whether they fought back or not.

Before you use the Jewish trump card "Anti-Semite" let offer this

"An anti-semite was at one time someone who doesn't like Jews....Now an anti-Semite is anyone the Jews don't like"

Whats is happening is Israel today is the realization of years of pent up Talmudic hatred......... [/i]

I copied this reply from another thread.
Go here read this thread it gets to the point better then this one.

Toad · « **Reply #84 on:** March 28, 2002, 10:33:27 PM »

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Originally posted by weazel
...I only hate the rat faced scum who pretends to be our leader, and the boot licking lackeys that fawn all over him.

Does his shoe polish have a nice flavor?

LOL.

Does it ever occur to you that someone felt, thought or said those lines about every President that has held the office since long before you were whelped?

They're POLITICIANS. They HAVE to be.. or they couldn't win the job.

That should explain everything for you.. but I have this feeling it won't.

Feel free to continue your rants.

Voss · « **Reply #85 on:** March 28, 2002, 10:49:02 PM »

Udie, I'm afraid you're right (ergo, my reason for starting this highjacked thread).

Israeli's have moved tanks forward now.

Remember, duck and cover.

{clipped portions of a tirade against the BASTARD Clinton.}

June too hot for an attack? It can get hotter you know.

Tumor · « **Reply #86 on:** March 28, 2002, 10:54:40 PM »

...good call Toad.

Well, ahem. Saddam is a threat to world peace. I don't think he's threatening enough to warrant a full scale operation right now, however I will point out that the horrible and terrible United States (just to save weazel the effort) has been bombing and and sending cruise missiles into Iraq for a very long time now. Operation Desert Strike, Operation Desert Thunder? Then there's Operation Northern and Southern Watch which have been hitting Iraq with explosive iron for years now, it's nothing new. Anything new we do now (IMHO) will simply be a "re-arrange" of the rules of engagement and business as usual. Saddam is too stupid to actually be that big a threat to "world" peace, however he is a threat to his own people, his neighbors and Isreal. I guess that can be translated into "world" depending on your agenda. I am personally happy that Iran and Iraq hate eachother. If they ever join hands there will be trouble in the mid-east far beyond anything we have ever seen.

~Caligula~ · « **Reply #87 on:** March 29, 2002, 02:20:00 AM »

The talmud is a collection of arguments on what is wrong and what is right.
That quote was one of the questions,and the answer was:no,that is not how jews should treat other people.
I don`t think jews are any better than anyone by birthrights.
I allways tought what matters is where one`s going not where one comes from.

About the Ben Gurion quote:
That was at the time when Israel was attacked by virtually all arab countries.He`s intention was not to conquer more land ,but to guarantee Israel`s safety.
Why did the russians went all the way to berlin?Kicking the germans out of their land wasn`t enough?
It`s the same deal.In fact Israel did stop in 1967 when all the arabs were on their knees.They could have marched into Cairo,Damascus,Amman.If Israel is such an aggressive country,how come they let all those countries intact,and only took a small piece of land as a buffer zone to make the defence easier.

Hortlund · « **Reply #88 on:** March 29, 2002, 03:18:56 AM »

What you people have to realize is that if you want to critizize Israel because of what they are doing right now, you only have two avenues of approach. Either critizize them on legal grounds or moral grounds. "You are violating the pals human rights when you shoot them or rubble their houses", "you occupy territory that does not belong to you", "you murder and torture palestinians" etc etc. These are all examples of legal accusations towards Israel. As I tried to point out with my post about the legal aspect of this conflict, this is not as simple as some people want.

Now judging from the replies to that post, it looks as if no one wants to maintain that Israel is in violation of international law.

That leaves you all with only one approach left...the moral one. While Israels actions might not be illegal, they might apparently be considered immoral by some.

But as you all know, the concept of morality is extremely subjective. You are very quickly reduced to arguing around personal opinions. And we all know that opinions are like prettythangholes, everybody's got one.

It is really amusing to see some people argue that the Israelis are just as bad as the pals in this conflict. Let me just say that I disagree with that opinion of yours.

On the one hand you have terrorists (by definition) strapping bombs on themselves, blowing themselves up, targeting civilians..mostly women and children. They use whatever means they can get in order to kill as many as possible, and they explicitly target women and children. They snipe at 10 month old babies, they back dictators such as Saddam Hussein, they are backed by terrorist organizations and rouge nations. If they could, they would kill every man woman and child in Israel.

..they cheered on 9-11.

On the other side you have the only other democracy in the region, acting (apparently, since no one wanted to argue about it) within the boundaries of international and national law. There you have soldiers and police officers trying to stop the terrorists from detonating yet another car bomb, stop yet another suicide bomber from killing another bunch of women and children. There you have one of the best intelligence agencies in the world, doing everything in their power to stop the terrorists

...these are the guys that help the US war agains terrorism every day.

Let me just say that I dont understand your morals here when you side with the pals, or when you think both sides are just as bad.

Dowding · « **Reply #89 on:** March 29, 2002, 05:13:20 AM »

First you wrote this:

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It is really amusing to see some people argue that the Israelis are just as bad as the pals in this conflict. Let me just say that I disagree with that opinion of yours.

Then you wrote:

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On the one hand you have terrorists (by definition) strapping bombs on themselves, blowing themselves up, targeting civilians..mostly women and children. They use whatever means they can get in order to kill as many as possible, and they explicitly target women and children. They snipe at 10 month old babies, they back dictators such as Saddam Hussein, they are backed by terrorist organizations and rouge nations. If they could, they would kill every man woman and child in Israel.

..they cheered on 9-11.

On the other side you have the only other democracy in the region, acting (apparently, since no one wanted to argue about it) within the boundaries of international and national law. There you have soldiers and police officers trying to stop the terrorists from detonating yet another car bomb, stop yet another suicide bomber from killing another bunch of women and children. There you have one of the best intelligence agencies in the world, doing everything in their power to stop the terrorists

...these are the guys that help the US war agains terrorism every day.

Let me just say that I dont understand your morals here when you side with the pals, or when you think both sides are just as bad.

In the very least, you are saying all Palestinians are guilty of terrorism. You fail to recognise that it is possible to be sympathetic to the Palestinian cause without sympathising with the suicide bombers. Afterall, there are plenty of moderates on both sides, whose voices are drowned out by the fanatics and ultra-right conservatives.

You paint a picture of the white knights of Israel besieged by the unwashed Palestinian masses. Yet you singly fail to take into account the atrocities perpetrated by Israeli settlers on Palestinian neighbours.

You talk of legitimacy and legal authority, yet you fail to mention the fact that Sharon himself could never step inside the EU for fear of war crimes prosecution. You also fail to mention the international condemnation of Israel's action from the UN itself, dating back half a century and re-iterated in last few months. It's not as clear cut as you make out.

To side with Israel's (read Sharon's) ludicrous actions in the recent past is as laughable as siding with the suicide bombers. Sharon's hardline tactics have achieved absolutely nothing at best, and at worst have set-back any hope of peace decades.