Author Topic: Copycat Squads (care dont care?) (Read 629 times)

Pollock · « **on:** March 29, 2002, 03:34:33 PM »

This was addressed back about a year ago when the Flying Tigers got copied. Now I guess it is the 56th Fighter Groups turn.
I am curious to hear some opinions on this from the community both new and old. Back in the FT post (i think it was Kbmans) I expressed my opinion opposing this.

I think its wrong and shows no class.

Fatty · « **Reply #1 on:** March 29, 2002, 03:37:29 PM »

Anybody that uses a historical name cannot very well protest someone's copy of their original(?) name idea.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #2 on:** March 29, 2002, 04:02:12 PM »

Easy for you to say fatty.. you're in a squad where nobody would want to steal your name.

As for the subject... I don't think its all that cut and dry. Its a tough call to tell a squad they'll have to change their name if they want to play in this arena. In that case... some kind of mutual decision needs to be made.

Of course, if this isn't a previously existing squad... I do think its in bad taste to just assume another squad's name. Doubly bad taste if they call themselves the Fat Drunk Bastards.

AKDejaVu

midnight Target · « **Reply #3 on:** March 29, 2002, 04:07:49 PM »

yawn..........

Well, I asked:

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Tahgut
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and, well you get the picture.

No biggy, the people in your squad will be able to sort it out. How many families in your town named Smith? In AH they would have to subtly change a small part of their name to be allowed. I think its a non-issue. IMHO of course.

Pollock · « **Reply #4 on:** March 29, 2002, 04:08:24 PM »

You have a point fatty, but I think the squads in AH who use the names of true squads do it out of respect, interest or whatever.

Fatty · « **Reply #5 on:** March 29, 2002, 04:19:35 PM »

I'm not saying they don't, I'm saying if they came to that name from a historical interest, it stands to reason given such a narrow field like this others are going to come to the same. A lot of times they probably have been using it longer, just didn't start playing aces high as soon.

Pollock · « **Reply #6 on:** March 29, 2002, 04:29:49 PM »

There are solutions. The 56thFG in AH shares webpage links with other 56th FGs in other games. http://www1.jump.net/~cs3/56fg.php

J_A_B · « **Reply #7 on:** March 29, 2002, 07:01:19 PM »

During the height of AirWarrior's popularity (when it was free on AOL, peak daily numbers were in the 1500-1800 range), there were a LOT of what you'd call "copycat squads". In a game such as this, where a lot of squads are going to have historically-based names, can you really complain if someone chooses a squadname similar to one already in existance? Newer players have just as much "right" to pattern their squad after the historical 56th as you guys do (unless you're trying to tell me that you somehow "own" the term "56th").

As long as they're not deliberately trying to mimic an existing group of people (which is already against TOS), I see nothing wrong with it. Live and let live.

J_A_B

Kronos · « **Reply #8 on:** March 29, 2002, 07:47:08 PM »

I dont think its a question of owning.

What I think is (since u asked, and i'd tell you anyway even if u didnt

) is that it is respect for the squadron. Why would anyone form a squadron that is for the exact same purpose as another, without even considering joining the original squad first?
this might in some small way, have to do with the great "gabby gabreski" dying, these other squads forming, but why form another? Why not just join the squadron that exists already?
everyone does have the right to do their own thing. They do pay for the service. But why have 3 squadrons of, for example, the 56th FG, of limited numbers and influence, when you could have 1 MAJOR squadron (with all members of the 3 combined) and be able to exert a major squadron presence at pretty much any time of the day. I have nothing against these guys personally. But why form a squad that already exists???? To my mind, it just doesnt make sense.

J_A_B · « **Reply #9 on:** March 30, 2002, 11:36:04 AM »

Well, there's always the chance that you might not really want to join a squad full or people who you don't know. Or you might like the name (56th for example) and history of the historical squad but not like the guys in the one aready in said game. There is also the issue of the fact that squads have an upward limit in number of people allowed in.

You agree that "ownership" isn't an issue (which is obvious). How is "respect" an issue? The "new" 56th doesn't in any affect the "old" one; it doesn't make them unable to play AH or affect their ability to have fun and socialize in any way.

If the guys in the "old" 56th feel disrespected, then IMO they need to sit down and think, and come to terms with the fact that in a socially-based game there WILL be people who want to have a similar squad name. There's no ill-will or malice meant by it. I can fully understand why they might indeed feel disrespected, but IMO such a feeling is mis-placed. Once AH grows some more and further increases its player base, this will eventually become a non-issue as people get used to it.

J_A_B

CptTrips · « **Reply #10 on:** March 30, 2002, 11:45:29 AM »

They could always duel for the name.

Wab

Pollock · « **Reply #11 on:** March 30, 2002, 11:45:31 AM »

Let me reiterate that I and only I started this post JAB. It was to see if others felt the same way as I do.

Do not throw in the whole of my squad in your replies. They are all entitled to there opinions as is everyone else in the game.

I think it shows no class to use the same name of an existing squad. I said that long before the 56th FG was duplicated. I will find the older post that I replied to and link it.

My post is not to ridiclule other squads or players. It appears I am in the minority on this thus far.

Pollock · « **Reply #12 on:** March 30, 2002, 11:56:58 AM »

Found it. I guess some members shoe the same opinion as me.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7750&highlight=flying+tigers

J_A_B · « **Reply #13 on:** March 30, 2002, 12:15:03 PM »

Everyone's entitled to their opinion I suppose

In this matter I completely disagree with you. Nothing wrong with that.

J_A_B

Animal · « **Reply #14 on:** March 30, 2002, 01:04:02 PM »

This is the situation I assume Fatty is picturing, and so am I:

John and Peter have always been fans of the Uberwalsbehl Jaeger Corps.
John joins Aces High and creates squad Uberwalsbehl Jaeger Corps. He recruits 5 people.
Two years later, Peter joins Aces High with a few friends. The whole time planning on creating squad Uberwalsbehl Jaeger Corps and pwning the virtual skies.
They find out the name is taken by another group. They check them out, and decide John's group are a bunch of whiner dorks and decide not to join their squad.
Always being a fan of Uberwalsbehl Jaeger Corps, the name of an elite WWII Luftwaffe group, they see no reason why they can not also use the name, so they create Uberwalsbehl Jaeger Corps.

John is mad! they "stole" his 100% original squad name (original because he got here first).

He goes to the Aces High BBS and creates a post (wich the new Uberwalsbehl Jaeger Corps members probably dont even care to visit) and questions Uberwalsbehl Jaeger Corps #2 morality for stealing his squad name.
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Ive seen several guys take incarnations of the Animal nickname. I dont give a crap, they even probably used the nick long before I did. They didnt blatantly steal it on purpose or chose it out of admiration of me.

If they also wanna hold tribute to Uberwalsbehl Jaeger Corps and create such squad, it is their $15, and there is NOTHING you can do about it other than cry a rive on the BBS.
Its not like the are stealing an original non-historical name, like Fat Drunk Bastards, MOL, Arabian Knights or the always retarded Assassins.