Maybe a PTO set up soon?

[ergRTC]

The vf-27 add another 9 votes to that!

[milnko]

Originally posted by Sabre
Biggest problem is still terrains and limited planeset.

I agree 100%

The air war in the Pacific after 1943 (call it 1944) was pretty much one sided to the allies favor with planes such as the Hellcat, Corsair,  P-51D, P-38L, B-29, and the Avenger.

What's needed is parity.

A 1942/3 planeset which included the A6M2, A6M3, Ki.43, D4Y, Kate, D3A(Val), P-40, F4F, P-39, Devastator, B-25 and P-38F (we've already got the P-51b, Spits and Hurricanes so I didn't include them in the list) would make a PAC arena that would draw large crowds.
However until these planes are added to the current stable, any early war PAC is out.

Now the N1K2 holds it's own against most of the current "allied" A/C and the Ki.61 does fair, but the A6M5 is way outclassed.

Although the Ki.67 will give a good accounting of itself  and balances well against the B-26, it just doesn't carry enough payload to really plaster a target like the B-17 and in no way addresses the lack of Nipponese CV based A/C.

So to setup a late war PAC arena planeset with any kind of parity is gonna require additional planes like the Ki.84, Ki.100, J2M5, and G4M2. Even then the list still needs to include Val and Kate for CV based planes as well as adding the Ki.45 or Ki.48 for land based JABO type A/C.

The BoB setup so far is my favorite, as it is well balanced, I didn't care for the last PAC setup as the allied A/C dominated the arena.

My 0.02 cents.

[Sabre]

LOL!  Okay, okay...you PTO lovers have made your point.  Since HBlair has to go AWOL, that leaves this weekend's set up in my lap.  As "Fire in the Sky" seemed to be a pretty popular set up based on attendance, we could go with that (don't think the Tunisia terrain is ready yet, anyway).  As before, I'll keep the B-17's restricted to more rear-ward bases, and this time do away with the Royal Navy's carrier, making it a US CV.  Likewise, I'll make the Nikki unperked, but only available at a few bases.  Finally, I'll set the CV respawn time to one or two hours, to punish those who carelessly place them too close off shore:D.  Here's my first cut at a planeset:

USA:
B-17 (at rear bases), B-26, P-38, P-47D-11, F4U-1, C-47, and TBM at land bases; F6F, TBM, PT, LVT's on CV; M-16, M-8, M-3 at land bases, too.

IJ: Ki-67, Ki-61, A6M5, N1K2 (select land bases), TBM, C-47, plus above mentioned vehicles at land bases; A6M5, TBM, LVT's, PT on CV.

Radar, icons, and fuel burn rate as per usual.  Looking forward to flying the Tony again.  I've got to run this by my rapidly shrinking CT staff brethern, but that's what I'm thinking about right now.

[ergRTC]

I dont know sabre, I fly allied, and i think that setup favors us a little bit too much maybe.  I love the carrier 1 or 2 hours down though! great idea.  Hope it does not get abused.

I am worried about  offsetting the power of the 38, 47 and f4u.  And why cant we get the f4u off of the carriers?  We have wings in our squad that are supposed to be flying them, but cant take off from carriers with them like the rest of us f6f pilots.  Can you limit the 38 and 47 fields, and allow f4us to take off from the carriers?  No offense to you 38 and 47 lovers, but I feel sorry for the ijn and the restricted niki.

Thanks again for putting pacific up sabre!

[Jester]

Sounds like a great set-up to me. The PTO is my favorite set-up.

Hazed, I don't know where you get your figures from but every night we had our squad meetings in the CT when it was set for PTO the sky was FULL.
We had some great fights with our Hellcats vs. the Tony's, George's & Zeke's.

Would still like to see the Corsairs available from the CV's.

Also would like to see the fleet's seperated. Have the Cruiser fleet and CV fleet under seperate control as in the scenarios. That way the cruisers could pull up to the beach to shell & launch the Marines and the CV's could stay in deep water where they are easier defended.

[Wotan]

Lots of folks DO like this setup

they all are from allied squads no surprise there lol I dont care how occasionally some flies ija/n in these setups they still are 1 sided.

The fights were always the same. Ho miss dive away to cv ack grab repeat.

the ki-67 isnt a good attack bomber with its limited payload. t cant even sink a cv. it only carries 1 500kg. whats your defination of effective? lol Thats 8 trips to sink a cv.

Its good with 3 or more or as a fast strike deacked as long as its followed up by 4 to 5 attack fighters. But rarely did I see 10 + axis in a pac setup.

I got plenty of kills its just that its so 1 sided that folks start the milkrunning because of nothing else to do.

1 allied jabo can level a twn thenh auger and role a goon. Where its takes 5 zekes or ki-61s. So the land grab side of the ct makes it little fun imho.

I mean i logged one night came bac in the next day to find the axis with 2 bases left each with a cv parked at umm.

I have flown alot of allied sorties in the ct.

The problem is they enable the entire allied planset vrs the 3 axis fighters.

We just dont have the planset to have a competative set.

Parity makes the best setups. BoB was real fun. The Kurland that buzzbait set up was  a fun one.

The reason Stalingrad doesn't pull more folks is because of the limited planeset.

I have flown here since day 1 map it all sorts of crazy setups and I think I will voice my opinion when I see something I dont like. Theres only 2 things in the ct I dont like field capture and pac setups. They both do more to limit the combat in combat theater and replace it with milkrunners.

[Löwe]

I may get Keel hauled by my squaddies for this, but I say UN-PERK the N1K, or else if you must perk it, set it low.
Yes the air war was one sided after 1943 in the Pacific, but then again the Luftwaffe wasnt as powerful in 1944 as it had been before. Many of the Luftwaffes greats were dead or injured during the last year of war, and like the Japanese, they had a lot of green pilots flying. The great thing about Aces High is you can see what things would have been like with better trained pilots. Fortunatly for us we don't die we simply roll again and learn from our mistakes. The LW had some great planes, and the LW pilots we have in AH are able to show us how great the planes were. If we keep perking the best IJN plane to death, where nobody can fly it, people will get fed up with zekes, and leave. Give em the damn N1K un-perk it, yeah there may not have been a lot of them, but it's not like the Japanese have the KI-84 to fly as well.
If we want Japanese pilots to fight against we got to give them a reason to fly. Not stick em in Zekes, and forget about em.
FREE THE GEORGE!:p
FREE THE CORSAIR TO OPERATE FROM CVs!:p
BRING ON THE A6M2,A6M3,KI43,KI84,N1K2,B5N,D3A,B6N,D4Y,KI100,SBD,F4F,AND SB2C! YEAH BABY!

Oh boy , gave myself a headache.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Sabre
Biggest problem is still terrains and limited planeset. CT Staff

... Simple solution. Increase the PAC Planeset!

I don't want to go off on a rant here....but there has to be some equity in Theatres. For all the LW and RAF planes in here, the relatively speaking Oliver Twist-like servings of IJN / CV based planes, one has to wonder about 1.10 already. I know I am.

Increase the planeset over the next few releases, and possibly some tweaking with the CV-turned-Higgins Boat type of furballing, and the PAC will be a great place to fly.

How about mines? And randomize their concentration based on the fleet's proximity to shore? Would make taking bases w/ LTV's an adventure, also..or more shore batteries..

Just a few thoughts....
Gainsie

[NUTTZ]

Funny you should ask this, I have a tile set that does axactly what you describe. I took the sand tile and put the water tile as a transpariency over it. then I used this "shallow water" tile to transform with water. It looks quite cool the shallow water acts like a land tile but the clutter is the "bubbles". From the air it does give a "feel" of the water depth, but we lose a land tile.

PT boats cannot use the shallow water tile, AND any land GV, like a tank can drive over this tile, so you may want to rethink this.

NUTTZ

Originally posted by Tac
would be good if the PAC map made all waters up to 20 miles from shore be "shallow water"...aka, no fleets can go within 20 miles of land. Would make for interesting air battles.

[ergRTC]

Wotan, I am really not seeing what you see.  I have never come onto the ct *(the only arena I fly in) and found all but a couple bases left.  I am not saying this does not happen, but I just dont see it as a problem.  

Last time PTO was a success.  LW have had map after map.
Free the george (i didnt think it was perked, just placed in a distant field like the 38 and 47).  

I think there is reasonable parity.  zero (dont knock it, it aint that bad), the tony, the george.    The allies have the f6f, f4u, and 47, and 38.  That is only 1 extra fighter than the other side.   I never saw a b17 last time I played the pacific.  The ki 67 is pretty much untouchable by the f6f which is the predominant allied fighter because of the cvs.  

I think the russia vs japan will be an interesting match up too.  After BOB, large plane selection is no longer a big thing for me.

[eddiek]

Gonna take some heat for this:

I really don't care if the dedicated LW guys don't like a Pac setup.  The CT terrains should be rotated through several maps and scenarios to give everyone a chance to fly the setup they like.  Guys like Habu and Mitsu and others can and do wreak havoc in the Ki61 and N1K2J, so it's not just about the planesets.

It's no secret that I prefer USAAF rides first, then USN ones.  But that doesn't mean I never give the others (LW, RAF, VVS, IJN) a go.   I usually look at the roster first when I log in and fly whichever side is low on numbers.  Sometimes it is Axis, most often it is Allied.   The point is, you guys limit yourselves by refusing to fly anything that is not a LW plane.  I can understand that you are fans of those aircraft, but sheesh guys!  Get real!

Wotan, I see the exact same ack running in each and every setup we have that has LW planesets.  Soon as the LW guy loses the angle, he is GONE to the acks or to his 7 buddies who are closing in to make it a real fun gangbang.   Comments on channel one are normally either a remark about extending, or fighting smart.........which is what your opponents appear to have been doing when you fought them, no?

[Wotan]

and I dont care for a setup that dedicated allied pilots like  

so what

erg or whoever I have seen you in the ct that said if you just started in the ct during bob base capture was severly curtailed.

If you started when perdonia was the map that was a reflection of the relative parity in which both sides had strike capability.

So unless you were in the island (1st pac setup) map where it was nothing but milkruns then you need not offer an opinion.


I have flown all planes in the ct eddiek so your several sorties in a ki61 mean as much to me as my 10 jug sorties do to you.

That said there still only 3 jap fighters vrs the entire allied planset. All outclassed. Every f6f ya fight same thing ho miss run to ack come bac again.

I flew in the 1st pac set up and the last it was always the same.

The axis have no strike aircraft. Cvs lead to them being parked offshore.

I dont care what plane you fly thats what happens.

The fact is eto uk/us vrs lw is the only theater where we are close to parity. Thus they are the most fun.

There are all sorts of setups we could if we had the planes.

med ,east front, manchuria, rabual or any pac set up but we dont have the planes yet.

Until then the pac setups suffer more then any other due to the complete lack of parity amoung the sides.

This aint a war its "combat" theater. Those setups that offer the best combat are the funnest. Its irrelevant to me that all the allieds pilots are happy with a scewed pac setup.

The fact is is guys like Hazed and a few others that live in the ct. They fly all the setups. They just dont pop their head in when its the allied vrs zekes and ki61s.

Hell just zekes vrs p38s would be fun.

I would love a set of the entire lw planeset vrs just spit 1 and hurris but I wouldnt be for that either.

[Löwe]

Originally posted by Wotan
Every f6f ya fight same thing ho miss run to ack come bac again.

Every F6 huh Wotan? LOL. When you make blanket comments like that you lose credibility. Not all F6s HO, and run for ack. That said, I've been Ho'd many a time by 190s, and during the BOB the ME110s were getting in on the HO act.  However I am not going to condem all FW-190 and 110 drivers with a blanket tag like that.
If you don't like the PTO thats understandable, and nobody blames you for your taste or opinion. Why do you have to sling feces at the whole group of F6F fans? Is not getting your way one week worth pissing off everyone who flies the F6? Remember a lot of these guys like me are in VF-27 a F6F squad. We fly our squad nights in CT twice a week. We don't get on and whine and berate the Luftwaffe guys because they get set-ups with their favorite planes. We don't boycott the arena ethier on those weeks. We get in and fly where needed, and wait on the next PTO. I was going to post this reply yesterday when you got on this thread and the Stalingrad thread complaining about F6 drivers. I thought NO, Wotans a level headed guy he'll pull out.
I guess I was wrong. This is the CT "Combat Theater", not the WWWA, "What Wotan Wants Arena". The PTO folks have been quiet and un-complaining, and they sure havent been running down LW, RAF, or USAAF drivers. So why not lighten up and not puke all over our one week of fun, Im sure you'll have at least 4 to 5 weeks of Luftwaffe planes before you see another PTO.
Sheesh come up for air!:rolleyes:

[Wotan]

aint feces its fact
I have with a np with a ho and killed plenty of f6fs in a zeke and if your offended by it thats on you.

Saying that f6f hos is no more an insult then  to say 190a8s ho.

Its the ack running thats the problem. 5 inch flak picks ya off 20k away. Its no fun. This happens on both sides so did the cv parking. I honesty dont think I upped off a cv 1 time in the previous pac setups. Mostly because a suicide jabo would sink ours but the axis couldn't even do that so allied cv pretty could move in right next to our bases......

I am not whining but you can define how ever ya want.

3 planes vrs the whole plansets is no fun.

I dont care what you fly or how ya fly I am just stating my experience over the past pac set ups.

I not try to convince you or anyone else that I am right. Ofcourse you are happy for a pac set up what allied guy that posted here isnt?

And where have I stated that ct ought cater to me? where?

I made a statement that given the current plane set a pac set up is and has proven to be 1 onesided milkrun.

Again what would you complain about? 3 planes vrs the entire allied planeset...... like I said I would love a spit 1 hurri vrs the entire lw planset but I wouldn't advocate 1 for the ct.

when has there been 5 or 6 weeks of lw stuff? Bob and stalingrad thats it. Before that they ran pretty much an open planeset which were more fun because the planesets were more balanced.

Stalingrad suffers from the same thing a pac set ups suffers from a lack of russian planes. But theres no cv ack platform parked 2 miles from the runway.

Who do you think makes up the majority of axis sorties in a pac setup? Mostly lw.....and if ya want someone to fight then best way to ensure that is to comeup with setups with real good balanced planesets. Why do ya need evry allied plane in the hanger?

Cant say zekes vrs 38s be fun? Cant say f4us and tonies be fun?
Why have field capture? cant the fight just be fun?

Lighten..... you dont see smiley faces?

I stand by everything I've said. But ya never know this one just might be different

[Sabre]

Wotan, read my post above about the set up.  It isn't "all allied planes against the three japanese fighters.  It's four allied fighters and 3 bombers against three japanese fighters and 2 bombers.  The N1K2 will be free, by the way...just not available at all IJ bases.  F6F will likewise be restricted to CV's only.  Soooo....

Sabre
CT Staff