Enola Gay

[straffo]

hey Hang there is not such thing like an European opinion

several yes

contradictory opinions surely

[Wilbus]

O club yes, btw Hangtime, I live in Sweden and we were neutral, you didn't have anything to do with saving us nor building up our economy, we did that by our selves after the war and got rich by selling lots of iron ore and such both during and after the war

And no, I don't agree that bombing
80 000 civilians is a good or better way to end a war.

[Dingy]

Lets not lose sight of the situation here fellas.  

The Japanese declared war on Asia and the US well before any bomb was dropped on their heads.  They slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Chinese civilians and raped 20,000 Chinese women in Nanjing before they even attacked the US.  They ruthlessly attacked Pearl Harbor with a sneak attack in the hopes that the blow might cripple the US Navy and keep them out of the war while they conquered more of the Pacific.

If you feel sorry for the innocents killed in the atomic bomb attacks, think about the many Chinese who lost their lives because of the original Japanese atrocities.  

The US didnt just pick an arbitrary city to 'test' their weapon.  They were at war.

-Ding

[Hangtime]

Your 'Neutrality' is a convienient fiction.. a legend for your own minds. Had the Nazis succeeded, or later, the Soviets overun europe.. i.e. if we wern't there with NATO to hold them at bay with OUR atomic weapons, how long do you think your precious 'neutrality' would have lasted?

What you got was a gift.. you did not earn it, yet you claim a higher morality for not participating directly. Pretty weak play Wilbus.

[Toad]

Lock 'er down or move 'er to the O-Club please.

I enjoy the sparring as much as anyone, but this could easily get to 100+ posts and given the twist... it's clearly in the wrong forum.

Thanks!

[fffreeze220]

these same europeans that so quickly and roundly condem our actions also seem to have missed what we did after that war... we rebuilt your freakin countries, fed your citizens, established a means for your defense and held the line against the soviets while you got your economies going again.

Sorry to say that so clear but these sentence diqualified urself.

[Toad]

Don your armor, gird up your loins and take it to the O-Club.

Please.

Thank you.  

[Mudshark]

Gee whizz,
I posted it, thinking that, in relation to the game, it had some humour to it. I never intended to upset or offend anyone. If I did I apologize.
Sorry, Mudshark

[Broes]

Originally posted by Hangtime
Intresting to see how the europeans react to the bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki.

intresting that they miss the fact these acts brought about the prompt end of a war that would have easily cost the japanese several million, possibly a hundred million more lives..

these same europeans that so quickly and roundly condem our actions also seem to have missed what we did after that war... we rebuilt your freakin countries, fed your citizens, established a means for your defense and held the line against the soviets while you got your economies going again.

you buncha nasty thankless salamanders, think you'd a got a deal like that from stalin, or tojo? you owe your national existence to the presence and use of atomic weapons in 1945. wake up, and get a freakin clue.

Hangtime, I do condemm the bombing of Hiroshima and Nakasaki as much as I condemm war as a whole. I know the reason of dropping the bomb on these 2 cities and maybe if I had been in the position, I would have made the same decision to drop them.

Still, I regret the loss of innocent lives in conflicts caused by 'visionary' leaders, be it in Hiroshima, Dresden, London or Stalingrad or New York. Whatever the cause, war is a terrible thing.

Broes

[Broes]

Originally posted by Dingy
Lets not lose sight of the situation here fellas.  

The Japanese declared war on Asia and the US well before any bomb was dropped on their heads.  They slaughtered hundreds of thousands of Chinese civilians and raped 20,000 Chinese women in Nanjing before they even attacked the US.  They ruthlessly attacked Pearl Harbor with a sneak attack in the hopes that the blow might cripple the US Navy and keep them out of the war while they conquered more of the Pacific.

If you feel sorry for the innocents killed in the atomic bomb attacks, think about the many Chinese who lost their lives because of the original Japanese atrocities.  

The US didnt just pick an arbitrary city to 'test' their weapon.  They were at war.

-Ding

Dingy, I will not even try to justify what SOME the Japanese SOLDIERS in China did but I am sure you can explain to the women and children in Hiroshima and Nakasaki they deserved those bombs.

Broesy

[Vector]

Originally posted by Wilbus
O club yes, btw Hangtime, I live in Sweden and we were neutral, you didn't have anything to do with saving us nor building up our economy, we did that by our selves after the war and got rich by selling lots of iron ore and such both during and after the war

Oh. c'mon wilbus, check O'club

[stat2000]

poo poo wah wah wah, war is war people die, it was done 40+ years ago. GET OVER IT

[Dingy]

Originally posted by Broes


Dingy, I will not even try to justify what SOME the Japanese SOLDIERS in China did but I am sure you can explain to the women and children in Hiroshima and Nakasaki they deserved those bombs.

Broesy

'SOME' Japanese soldiers killed 200,000-300,000 civilians and raped another 20,000 innocent females.  War is not pretty, nor is it clean.  While a soldiers actions during wartime shouldnt represent the rest of the countries civilians, we're foolish to believe that acts of aggression be constrained only to the combatants.  Its only with new technology (which isnt even always 100% accurate) that you can even come close to surgical attack precision, sparing the life of civilians.

I think you would have a whole lot less sympathy for those japanese civilians if you have relatives slaughtered by the japanese in China but you dont so thats why your able to condemn the attac from your sanctity in Holland :/

-Ding

[Broes]

I think you would have a whole lot less sympathy for those japanese civilians if you have relatives slaughtered by the japanese in China but you dont so thats why your able to condemn the attac from your sanctity in Holland :/

Sorry to say it but I don't judge a whole country by the acts of it's army.

Our so called 'sanctity'? Rotterdam, Holland's biggest city, got almost completely flattened by bombers (yes BEFORE even Londen or Dresden). You know, that was at the beginning of the war, WAY before America even CONSIDERED of joining.

Broesy

[Hangtime]

And who came and kicked the germans out, then restored your country to yah, yah ungrateful twit!