er 109 g10 does 451mph?......

[hazed-]

I cant get the indicator over @445mph

i flew at 21k and from 400mph level speed (from a dive to level) it took a full 4 minutes to get to @440-445mph

at 21.5k again it seemed to stay below the 445mph mark.

by the time i got to this speed the wep was all gone so the 22k test was abandoned.

what is this alt that the 109g10 supposedly gets to the 109k4 speed mentioned in other posts? and this chart seems to show?

[-ammo-]

actually thats a 1% difference, thats not too shabby.  Does the G10 in fact supposed to do 450+ MPH?

[eddiek]

......I sense a Brit tantrum coming if we keep questioning the G10 performance........

[xHaMmeRx]

hazed,

I get approximately the same results as you as shown on my speed comparison page BUT someone recently suggested that a better way to determine the absolute top speed would be to conduct the test as you did, then set the auto speed (.speed xxx) to the speed you believe you achieved. If you start to dive a bit... lower the speed. If you begin to climb... raise the speed. Do this until you enter a speed that allows you to stay at level flight. This would eliminate any discrepencies caused by the graphics.

HaMmeR
www.netAces.org - Tactics, Plane Data, and More!

[-ammo-]

I do not mean any trouble. For example, the published speed for the P-47D25 is 426 MPH, however in AH I can only achieve  418 MPH. I consider this excellent!

[eddiek]

I actually kinda like him.  He's pretty straightforward about stuff, goes off occasionally just like the rest of us sometimes; if only we could get him off this LW addiction!  

FWIW, I've been flying the G10 the last couple nights, and I don't see what all the fuss is about.  The dang thing is pretty much a monster if you fly it anywhere close to right.  Which means, don't get slow in it.  It and the 190D9 are pretty sweet planes as they are.  
I'm at best an average pilot in AH, and I rarely fly LW planes just because of my preferences for Allied stuff.  But if I can get in a G10 or a D9 and go out and get 3 and 4 kills a sortie without really trying, that speaks volumes about the plane.  At least to me it does.
If the G10 is within 1-4% on it's top speed, close enough, I say.

[mora]

Originally posted by xHaMmeRx
hazed,

I get approximately the same results as you as shown on my speed comparison page BUT someone recently suggested that a better way to determine the absolute top speed would be to conduct the test as you did, then set the auto speed (.speed xxx) to the speed you believe you achieved. If you start to dive a bit... lower the speed. If you begin to climb... raise the speed. Do this until you enter a speed that allows you to stay at level flight. This would eliminate any discrepencies caused by the graphics.

HaMmeR
www.netAces.org - Tactics, Plane Data, and More!

Max autoclimb speed is 400 mph I think..

[Vector]

I recall it's 400 mph too, but it is IAS.

[hazed-]

you guys misunderstand.

SW claimed that the g10 we have is pretty much the K4 so i checked out its climb rate and top speed and found both to be below the figures i see in books for the K4
I then try to judge from this rather unreadable chart what is its top speed? and at what alt.

i kinda guessed it looks over 450mph and around 21-22k in alt?

the K4's top speed is published as 451mph so i thought he must be right.

However the climb rates dont match and the graphic on the speedo is definately below the 450 mark.
Also the fact it took 4 minutes to get from 400mph to 445mph (my estimation of the graphic clock) seemed to be a long time but i dont know what it would have been so I asked.
I wish to know whether like SW said the difference between the k4 and g10 we have would indeed be negligable or not.



this isnt a tantrum eddeik, its a question loaded with a slight hint of scepticism and surprise.

also i'd like to know where i can see the rest of these graphs as i am going to test all the planes.

P.s. remember, the difference in speed of 6 or so mph or 600 ft/min or so might not sound a lot on paper but the P51d is only 11mph faster than the dora but i have been unable to catch them on occation so it obviously does help somewhat doesnt it.
oh and again check my stats by all means.I again rarely fly the g10 compared to the 190a5 or dora or even 190a8( if i remember right) but I dont like to see claims made that simply dont pan out in the game.As to getting me off the LW bandwagon, I seriously doubt it. spits etc are too easy, 50s i can hit things from 800+yards and i find this makes AH feel like an arcade game . only the unskilled use them.(mwahahahah)

[Wilbus]

Hey Ammo

The problem is not that it's slower then in R/L but that it seems slower then the AH chart which is taken from within AH.

The Chart shows some 450-455 mph while in game, most people can "only" get it up in 440-445. Some 5-10Mph difference, not very much but would be nice if it was spot on the AH chart (unless it is already I haven't checked).

[-ammo-]

Ahh I see. Even so the same desparity exist. The chart shows over 425 MPH for the D25

[Vermillion]

Hazed, you are correct.  The Aces High G10 is suppose to do 452mph at around 22k, according to the charts and from posts Pyro made a long time ago when it was introduced.

Currently it is  broken (admittedly, only slightly) and will do about 440-445mph, at least it was when I tested it right before 1.09 came out.

Could you post the climb rate charts you are discussing?  I was under the impression that the G10 rates in AH matched the historical K4 charts that I had seen in the past, but I dont' have a copy of the K4 charts anymore.

If you test most planes in AH from stall speed to max speed without a dive, you will find that its quite common for the aircraft to take several minutes to accelerate the last 10mph of speed.  This is due to the nature of how drag works and the relationship between induced drag and parasitic drag.  I won't even try to explain it, but I'm sure people can suggest some website that describe it in detail.

[Furious]

Hazed,

Don't know for sure if this will work or not, but...

Film the test and open it in the new editor.  It has digital speed readings.


F.

[Wilbus]

In deed ammo, just zoomed in on that chart and drew a line, shows about 427Mph. This should be fixed aswell, with all planes, not just 109. The Charts should show the correct speed.

[Squire]

Probably 1/2 the a/c in AH cant get their published max speeds.

I cant get 448 out of a Spit XIV either, or 408 out of a Spit IX. Ammo mentions the P-47D-25 as well.

Operational a/c did not have the performace to get those published speeds anyways, and thats true with all of them.

Published speeds are the product of optimal testing with test pilots at the controls, not operational models with ammo and full gas, that are being used daily on ops for real combat missions.

Eg, the P-51D supposed to do 437mph, well, I doubt most 8th AF Mustangs that were flying in 1944 would ever hit past 425 in RL, with an operational configuration, paintwork, ect.

I would view them as an "approximation" of expected speed, not a bible.

445 for a G-10 is all of 6mph off the mark, pls dont tell me that would make any difference, in any fight, ever, in AH. I wont even get into the subject of published speeds for the G-10 (already have).

I can get 440 with a Spit XIV, again, all of 8mph off the mark, that is close enough to be believable for me, for an operational fighter.

If its significant, I would say fix it (any of them) but not such a miniscule figure.

Regards.