Author Topic: Enough is Enough (Read 1161 times)

8ball · « **Reply #15 on:** April 05, 2002, 01:58:51 PM »

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Originally posted by AKDejaVu
Same 8ball from Warbirds? 8bal I think it was?

AKDejaVu

I never played Warbirds online because I never had any money. I played Fighter Ops though and I'm sure my name was something like 8ball.

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That a bit like saying we should have left hitler in power, because there was no clear successor.

Yes, it is. I didn't make the decision though. Had I been president Saddam would have been gone and somebody else, more friendly to the US of course, would have taken his place. However I was not the person making the decision. I wasn't justifying the decision to leave Saddam there, I was just explaining the reasoning for it.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #16 on:** April 05, 2002, 02:01:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
8ball - that's definitely NOT the reason Saddam was left in power. The real reason is that there was no UN mandate to go to Baghdad and the coalition would have evaporated if the US et al had made moves in Saddam's direction.

Maybe not a reason but definately a concern.

Dowding · « **Reply #17 on:** April 05, 2002, 02:04:23 PM »

I was going on what Colin Powell said in a BBC documentary a couple of years back...

Eagler · « **Reply #18 on:** April 05, 2002, 02:05:54 PM »

Doesn't Palestine HATE the US?

Doesn't the Arab would despise our sinful and worldly ways & only tolerate us for our oil $$$?

So how is the arch enemy of one of the sides in the conflict going be able to broker "peace" in the region?

All the US can do is try to reign in Israel by cutting off the money & it will have ZERO effect on the nutcases running the show on the Palestine side. Their isn't a controlling entity on the Pale's side which could guarantee compliance to any agreement. Sort of like making an agreement with a severely retarded child and wonder why he doesn't follow through with his promise.

The Arabs would be the ones to handle this as in the end it is an Arab/Muslem problem, not a US one.

The nutbags ( the controlling authority for the Palestines) in the region just use it as an excuse to hate us and openly show it ...

Nothing will change ...

easymo · « **Reply #19 on:** April 05, 2002, 02:10:05 PM »

"The US was there to remove a military force from invaded land that had US special interests (oil). End of story."

Wrong. That was not the end of the story. Ask the Kurds that he murdered. And to make that matter even worse. Our spooks led them to belive we would support them if they made a move on suddam.

Our troops were in place at the time. We didn't need the freaking coalition. It was time to do the right thing.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #20 on:** April 05, 2002, 02:13:57 PM »

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Originally posted by easymo
"The US was there to remove a military force from invaded land that had US special interests (oil). End of story."

Wrong. That was not the end of the story. Ask the Kurds that he murdered. And to make that matter even worse. Our spooks led them to belive we would support them if they made a move on suddam.

Our troops were in place at the time. We didn't need the freaking coalition. It was time to do the right thing.

Sure, then risk complete destabilization of the entire region, not to mention pissing off the worlds largest numerical denominational religion, Muslims. Add to that trying to play "policeman" in an occupied territory such as Bagdad, while trying to keep US casuaties low.

See, thats why your not a politician Easymo.

8ball · « **Reply #21 on:** April 05, 2002, 02:18:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
8ball - that's definitely NOT the reason Saddam was left in power. The real reason is that there was no UN mandate to go to Baghdad and the coalition would have evaporated if the US et al had made moves in Saddam's direction.

Not the entire coalition. Britain and Canada have always stood by America during military conflict. But regardless, we wouldn't have needed any assistance or permission to remove Saddam from power. The other countries may not have liked it, but they wouldn't have had any choice but to just accept what we were doing and move on.

easymo · « **Reply #22 on:** April 05, 2002, 02:21:43 PM »

"Sure, then risk complete destabilization of the entire region, not to mention pissing off the worlds largest numerical denominational religion, Muslims"

Give me a break. When in history has that region EVER been stable. And it is a well known fact over there that saddam is no particularly religious. In fact most of the people in his own country would love to see the amazinhunk gone. He is a dictator

The only reason we didnt finnish it. Was that Gen. Powell got a poo poo feeling in his tummy, when he was looking at dead camel jockys.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #23 on:** April 05, 2002, 02:28:08 PM »

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Originally posted by easymo
"Sure, then risk complete destabilization of the entire region, not to mention pissing off the worlds largest numerical denominational religion, Muslims"

Give me a break. When in history has that region EVER been stable. And it is a well known fact over there that saddam is no particularly religious. In fact most of the people in his own country would love to see the amazinhunk gone. He is a dictator

China's leader is a dictator too, does that give us Carta Blanc to march on China? Believe me, I too would have LOVED to see us go all the way to Bagdad, but I also understand foreign affairs to the point of when the guys with lots of oil say "don't do it", you either start drilling more in your own country or you say yes to them. The liberals in this country was us as "yes men" since they don't want us drilling more in Alaska.

8ball · « **Reply #24 on:** April 05, 2002, 02:33:37 PM »

Wow, Ripsnort has 11k posts now

But that brings us to another point, how ungrateful some countries are. We saved Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, and probably the majority of the middle east, from being taken over by Saddam. How are we re-paid? They shove a small stick up our bellybutton instead of a big one..

easymo · « **Reply #25 on:** April 05, 2002, 02:40:24 PM »

China's leader is a dictator too, does that give us Carta Blanc to march on China? Believe me, I too would have LOVED to see us go all the way to Bagdad, but I also understand foreign affairs to the point of when the guys with lots of oil say "don't do it", you either start drilling more in your own country or you say yes to them. The liberals in this country was us as "yes men" since they don't want us drilling more in Alaska.

What the hell does that have to do with what is being descussed?

Lets look at the scale of this thing for a minute. All together there are only 250 million people in all of the Arab states. And most of these are very backward buy western standards. Hell, 6 million Jews have held them at bay for decades. China has a billion people.

BTW. OPEC has no where near the clout that it had in the 70's. This is also often over stated. Venezuelan oil, British oil, Ect. have taken away much of the touted "oil power" of the Arabs.

8ball · « **Reply #26 on:** April 05, 2002, 02:46:47 PM »

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Originally posted by easymo
BTW. OPEC has no where near the clout that it had in the 70's. This is also often over stated. Venezuelan oil, British oil, Ect. have taken away much of the touted "oil power" of the Arabs. [/B]

True, our second largest source of oil is currently Canada. If the Russians ever manage to get the Siberia area drilled they could possibly take over as number one source of our oil. That would completely remove our 'ties' to the Middle East and would let us handle situations there without having to be 'nice' so that we don't loose our oil.

Of course, we could always drill Alaska more but then the tree-huggers would go nutz.

Nash · « **Reply #27 on:** April 05, 2002, 02:53:48 PM »

weazel · « **Reply #28 on:** April 05, 2002, 02:56:07 PM »

Forward thinking says it's not a good idea to exploit oil reserves in Alaska yet, let the arab sources run dry first.

Then we can let them live in the dark ages WITHOUT our cash to sustain them.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #29 on:** April 05, 2002, 02:58:56 PM »

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Originally posted by easymo

What the hell does that have to do with what is being descussed?

Ask yourself the question. You brought up Saddam as a dictator, then said "We should have marched right in there..." (because he's a dictator?!?)

My alignment was that of one where just because someone is a dictator does not give us the right to do what we want. We need global approval in todays world, this isn't 1945.