Author Topic: Enough is Enough (Read 1306 times)

8ball · « **Reply #30 on:** April 05, 2002, 02:59:16 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash

What year is that from?

Ripsnort · « **Reply #31 on:** April 05, 2002, 03:00:12 PM »

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Originally posted by weazel
Forward thinking says it's not a good idea to exploit oil reserves in Alaska yet, let the arab sources run dry first.

Then we can let them live in the dark ages WITHOUT our cash to sustain them.

Or develope alternative fuel sources, such as the bill GW signed 2 months ago.

Dowding · « **Reply #32 on:** April 05, 2002, 03:01:43 PM »

8ball, easymo - please tell me how you were supposed to conduct an occupational war in Iraq without the support of Saudi Arabia etc - i.e. the coalition?

Saudi would not have stomached a conflict of that kind. Without Saudi you cannot invade Iraq. Simple as that.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #33 on:** April 05, 2002, 03:05:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
8ball, easymo - please tell me how you were supposed to conduct an occupational war in Iraq without the support of Saudi Arabia etc - i.e. the coalition?

Saudi would not have stomached a conflict of that kind. Without Saudi you cannot invade Iraq. Simple as that.

That was my entire point, but obviously alittle over ones head in this case.

midnight Target · « **Reply #34 on:** April 05, 2002, 03:06:12 PM »

IIRC the fundamentalist Muslim movement was quite strong in 1990 / 91 and removing Saddam would NOT have ensured "someone friendlier to the US". It might have left a vacuum that would have been filled by a Taliban-like mullah. I think this was on the minds of our leaders at the time. We were only 10 years removed from the fiasco in Tehran.

Nash · « **Reply #35 on:** April 05, 2002, 03:11:17 PM »

Oct 2001 as far as I can tell 8ball.

Kieran · « **Reply #36 on:** April 05, 2002, 03:13:03 PM »

FWIW, Dowding is right WRT the reason Saddam was left in power. 8Ball may have elucidated a contributing factor, but there is no way we could remove Saddam without Arab support.

Tac · « **Reply #37 on:** April 05, 2002, 03:24:35 PM »

venezuela's oil reserves are expected to be exhausted by 2005, maybe 2010 tops.

Sikboy · « **Reply #38 on:** April 05, 2002, 03:27:37 PM »

The wierd thing about that graph (not commenting on its validity or anything) is how it says "Countries importing oil to the US" where it should read either "Countries Exporting Oil to the US" or "Countries the US is importing oil From" Just an oddity. A country can't "import to" You either export to or imort from"
-Sikboy

Eagler · « **Reply #39 on:** April 05, 2002, 04:04:08 PM »

as bad as Saddam is, he ain't our biggest problem. One day he will die and some other idiot will take his place

Our true enemy is:

the fundamentalist Muslim movement

growing, getting stronger and nutty by the day ... this is our future enemy of WW3. As soon as they get armed with modern technology, the rest of the free world will have a huge problem.

Our push should be on the Muslim leaders to condem the nutbags extremists of that religion <- chase them out of town. They seem pretty mute about the whole thing - wonder why ...

easymo · « **Reply #40 on:** April 05, 2002, 04:19:16 PM »

What with this all being way over my head. I'm not sure I should comment. But:)

It seems to me that the Republicans have done a great job of spinning this, to cover their ass, over the years.

At the time, saddam was universally distrusted by his nabors. There would have been the mandatory statements of outrage, no doubt. But in privet, nothing but a big sigh of relief.

To this day he is considered little more then a middle eastern version of a banana republic strong man. And this destabilization, sales pitch, is nothing but Rep. spin.

Also most of the "experts" on the region, that I have read. Indicate that the locals would love to see his bunch gone. So why on earth would we want an occupying force. Think Afghanistan.

eskimo2 · « **Reply #41 on:** April 05, 2002, 04:49:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Nash

Invade Canada!

eskimo

Skuzzy · « **Reply #42 on:** April 05, 2002, 05:29:25 PM »

I have a really stupid question. Why is it we (the U.S.) are the ones that have to quell this? Why are fingers pointing at the U.S. for not doing something about an issue on the other side of the world?
I do not get it and probably never will.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #43 on:** April 05, 2002, 05:50:00 PM »

Eagler is dead on.

to them, America and westerners ARE the enemy.

The only ones that mistakenly think American politicians will have any sway are the American public.

it doesn't matter what we do/say. They are fanatics and not to be reasoned with or trusted.

Elfenwolf · « **Reply #44 on:** April 05, 2002, 06:03:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Sikboy
The wierd thing about that graph (not commenting on its validity or anything) is how it says "Countries importing oil to the US" where it should read either "Countries Exporting Oil to the US" or "Countries the US is importing oil From" Just an oddity. A country can't "import to" You either export to or imort from"
-Sikboy

I noticed that too, Sikboy. I believe that graph is the work of the Canadian Ministry of Propaganda. Sheeesh, first they claimed to have won the Olympic Hockey gold medal, and now they claim to be the largest supplier of oil to the US?? I don't think it's necessary to look halfway around the world for enemies- all we have to do is look North.