I personnally need a perk collector p38F and or p38J

[hazed-]

correct me if im wrong but isnt the J a faster P38 than the L?

as to the ENY at 22 it is a little bit low id say.Flying it id say is a little harder than flying the P51B and thats at 35!

Have htc set ENY to match an aircrafts use in the arena too?
if so then the latest eny changes make more sense.Still a 1109g10 at 21eny and p38 at 22eny is strange when you compare their performances.Only less use of the 109g10 could explain this id say.
Theres some strange values in there.....spitV at 20eny! is a spit5 classed as on parr with the 109g10? or is it overuse?

Id say if the P38J arives it would have a lower eny than the P38L if its quicker.The H model would be your best bet id say and would probably get a 30-40 eny value?
just guessing.

mind you have you noticed that the P38 is higher than the 110G2?
I dont think the G2 is anwhere near as competative in the MA myself but im sure others would argue with it.
I know one thing the P38 is a damn sight tougher than it used to be and from what ive noticed when making avi movies of kills no matter where its hit the first damage is a fuel leak on the right wing followed by the same on the left.then it seems to take damage where its 'actually' hit.Not a whine, see if it happens the same in your films.

[whirl]

22 is underrating the 38.  it's one of the most difficult planes to fly, period.  nobody can just hop in a 38 and dogfight well, not like ya can do hoping into a spit 1 or 202.  

hell all the higher perked planes are easier to fly than this plane.

you take a 38 pilot and put him in any other plane and he'll kick ass.  thats not true for any other.  the reason?  the 38 has more options than any other plane available.  it'll nail a fw at 30k then a buff at 25 then a 109 at 20 then a 205 at 15 then a spit at 10 then a la7 at 5 then a yak on the deck.  no other plane can do this on a regular basis.  

this is the problem;  see, only the most experienced pilots will accomplish this.  most don't use the full potential of the 38, but they will fly it for missions, askewing the 38's numbers.

put a newbie in a 38 and he'll die repeatly for awhile. put a newbie in a 109 and he's killing on the first day.  givem a couple years in the 38 and he's killing everything, using the enemies planes' own tactics.


1193,Tried,Whirl

[Puck]

Put Puck in a 38 and he died quite a bit. I'm starting to get the hang of it after a couple weeks of near-constant flying.  

Any of you P38 Gurus feel like taking me into the TA and showing me what I'm doing wrong (aside from running into the ground with only half a plane?  I'm learning how not to auger in dives  

I had to turn tracers back on to figure out why I've been missing the easy shots.  It's nothing like the SpitV I used to fly.

[Urchin]

I believe the ENY values are based solely on usage, not how 'capable' a plane is compared to another plane.  The 110g2 saw the most use out of any german plane last tour, which is why it has a ENY as low as it is.  BTW, the P38 has always been a pretty good plane, it has just started to see a gigantic upsurge in usage since they replaced its old DM with the new one of the Panzer IV.

[laz]

My average sortie in p38 before its value was porked was about 10... My last few sorties in MA it was around 7.  f6f only has what... 4 less rockets... and no 20mm.. And outperforms 38 in its sleep, so because people are too dense to fly f6f, p38 value goes down?? Interesting.....  As for the p38 master puck.. I am always willing for a good duel, as soon as I resubscribe, to show you i can still get 500 perk sorties =P

[hazed-]

hehe P38 isnt any harder to use than anyplane! if you flew each the same way you would get kills but the p38 would take a lot more damage than most imo.Its on par with the mighty jug which is a bit silly seeing as how the jug is famous for its durability and the p38 isnt.
I agree the eny is a bit low for its ability but as others have said its based on useage.

Its far from the hardest plane to kill and survive in.all aircraft have to be learned.if you ask me which planes are hardest to get to grips with 'flying' wise id say these are just as hard as the p38:

F4ud (very unforgiving if you dogfight them)
P47s (to get real good in these is just as hard,learning flaps is a must)
190a8 (try to dogfight in these requires a total relearning of manouvers)
Yaks (very mushy controls)
Ki-61 (i think this is a dog personally )
110g2 (this is nowhere near as capable as p38 in turn fights)

now this is guns aside.I think all 50s are easier to hit with but obviously dont have that instant kill affect.(well apart from P47s 8x50s!!)
to claim you have to be something special to use a p38 and do well in them is rediculous.All planes require the same sort of effort.
CIT is fantastic to watch in his p38 but if he loved the 205 and put same effort in he'd still be deadly im sure!
I can 'hop in' a P38 and get kills easily personally and same goes for the p47.I dont even touch the flaps etc 99% of the time.
I can do the same for pretty much every plane.Which do i feel takes the greater effort? In all honesty its the yaks(slushy planes!) or the F4u's(not the shooting) and i think the 190s are among the hardest because of the guns, not so much their flying characteristics.BUT many say they cant handle flying 190s and dont like them.
horses for courses, no ones right or wrong here cause it all boils down to what aircraft suit the pilots style.
Please dont give us this 'p38s require true skill' crap those 'good' p38 pilots would have the same trouble in almost any aircraft.yeah even the p51!

[Kweassa]

Which model is the more representative of 1943 ETO air combats?

 P-38F? H? J?

 I'd like to see whichever is the most representative of 1943.

 
 Anyway, I disagree Hazed, P-38 seems a damn hard plane to Fly. Since I began with AH1.05, I've tried almost everyplane before I finally settled with 109s with the beginning of 1.08, looking for "the plane" I would decide to fly. From Zeros, Spits to Yaks, La series, Corsairs.. Mustangs.. etc etc...  Of many planes I tried, the complexity of P-38 combat flying is one of the greatest. Just trying to remember all those flap configurations for various combat situations were too much for my meager brain capacity

 To see many great pilots of the Twin Engined Devils, and Citabria achieve great success in the P-38s is just amazing for a average joe like me

[Tac]

Yes urchin I think its based on usage. I only see 1 dogfighting P-38 every hour in the MA, but I see about 9 or 10 P-38s going kamikaze on hangars.

IMO the ENY should be based on usage Vs kill % at end of tours. A plane with a very high usage but a low kill % means its either not being flown properly (in which case it = easy kill) or its used as a kamikaze craft.

Hazed: The 38J is a bit faster and has a bit better accel than the L, but it does not have dive flaps and if HTC models the early batch (which it should because the later batches were 38L equivalents), it wont have boosted aleirons. the 38J roll rate would be the same at low and high speeds before compression. To give it a lower eny than the L would be ludicrous.

Oh, and the 110G2 has great accel, good turn ability and a monster cannon armament. If you cant get a kill in a plane like this, you got a problem

[BUG_EAF322]

luftwabbles just hate it

[Puck]

I never said "good" duel, Laz!  

I ran into you once in the MA.  I'd been flying the P38 for about four days, and I remember saying "Look, another P38" and very shortly thereafter "What happened to my wings?"

Bastage  

[Pongo]

Originally posted by Citabria



because its not a p38!:rolleyes:

Citabria. Your request has been denied.
I will however grant you the following perk collector which I believe will be very much to your liking..
Enjoy

[Karnak]

In my experience the P-38 is one of the easiest aircraft to succeed in.  It does many things very well, and zoom climbs with the best of them.  True, it is no Spit or N1K2, but it is far better than most other things.

The ENY values seem to me to now be set by usage, with a small influence given by the potential of an aircraft.  The Bf109G-10 and Fw190D-9 are both rarer than the P-38 and yet both have a lower ENY.  The P-51D is more common than the N1K2 and yet has a higher ENY.

[laz]

=)

[lord dolf vader]

i want the one that had the 37 mm in the nose. what model was that?

[BigCrate]

P-38D had  the 37mm cannon installed but it never saw combat with it. Most P-38Ds were used as trainers or the cannon was removed and onlt the 4 .50s stayed. I think those P-38D saw combat.

Cw
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