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Offline Naudet

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MK108 totaly underpowered
« on: April 06, 2002, 06:49:55 AM »
I flew the 109 G10 a bit lately and noticed that the MK108 is totaly underpowered. Especially against buffs and light GV.

i.e. i was unable to kill M3s from behind, no matter if i hit em 3, 5 or 8 times, the thing won't even get damaged.

And against buffs. In WW2 3-5 hits would ensure the kill of an B17. And what did i have to find out in AH, you need much more.
Tried to kill Ki67, hit it alltogether 6 times before it when down. § hits alone against the tail section.

Same against a B26. about 8-10 hits total. 2 to left elevator, 3 to right outter wing, 3 to tailplane.

Seems like i need much to many hits.

Offline Dr Zhivago

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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2002, 07:29:05 AM »
If Mk 108  is unpowered , you should try BK-5 cannon.. :D
This cannon was installed in some Me 410 and Me262  :p

BK-5 50mm cannon
SPECIFICATIONS
Weight: 135 lbs.
Muzzle velocity: 1,600 ft./sec.
Gun length overall: 45 in.
Barrel length: 23 in.
Maximum rate of fire: 45 rounds/min

Offline Wilbus

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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2002, 07:50:01 AM »
Yeak but that 50mm was even harder to hit with (although higher velocity).

The mk108 needs alot of hits to down Bombers, even fighters such as LA7, P38 and F6F can take a hit and keep flying without trouble.
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Offline Urchin

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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2002, 09:39:57 AM »
Only fighter I've seen take a hit and survive was the P38.  I've hit P38s two or three times with one round of 30mm and had them live.  Never seen any other fighter live.

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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2002, 11:24:52 AM »
I've seen two occasions.

 Once I hit a La-7 at an unlikely distance with a lucky shot, hit his left wing and it began to leak fuel. But seeing that the La-7 flew for a long long time, I asked the pilot what's going on and he said he had flap damage. The fuel leak was the well-known 'fuel leak bug' that seems to bother La-5FNs and La-7s.

 The other time was against a P-38. Hit his left fuselage, and the plane showed signs of radiator damage, but apparently no structural damage.

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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2002, 11:39:08 AM »
Hit a F-6F with a round in the wingroot, it flew on with a fuel leak and nothing more - f6f seems tougher than p-47.
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2002, 12:18:58 PM »
Yup, done it against F6f and LA7's a few times, P38 however has often taken 30mm hits and ran away.
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Offline Tac

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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2002, 12:34:18 PM »
wish I could say thats happened to me wilbuz :)

Offline Tony Williams

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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2002, 01:05:43 PM »
The MK 108 was pretty useless against anything with armour. It was devastating when it exploded within aircraft structures. This from my next book:

"The 30 mm HEI M-Geschoss, fired from an MK 108, was also tested. Unsurprisingly, ten rounds fired at a Spitfire fuselage resulted in a score of three immediately lethal, seven probably lethal. Eleven rounds fired at a Blenheim achieved the same results, plus one doubtful. It was noted that the ammunition did not have much effect on heavy bomber fuselages (presumably because of the large volume for the explosion to dissipate into), but inflicted serious aerodynamic damage to the wings by blowing off the surfaces, and that the incendiary content was very effective in starting fires. German tests reflected these results, and also revealed significant differences in the effectiveness of the mine shells depending on the construction of the aircraft. Stressed-skin alloy monococque structures were most vulnerable to being blown apart. Steel structures clad with thin aluminium were less affected as the cladding quickly split, releasing the pressure before it had much time to damage the structure, and fabric-covered structures were damaged least of all. It was not only the blast which inflicted damage; after the war, the Americans test-fired an MK 108 HEI shell into the tail of a B-24 at a typical angle, characteristic of a tail interception by an Me 262. The "spray" pattern of very high velocity, very small fragments cut most if not all of the control cables and many of the longerons. It was assessed that the tail would have separated if the plane had been in flight; a performance which made a great impression on the observers."

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Offline BenDover

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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2002, 01:19:37 PM »
hey tony, tell me what this is.

Offline Dr Zhivago

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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2002, 02:46:45 PM »

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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2002, 03:15:29 PM »
I spoke once with Oblt. Franz Stigler who shot down many bombers with MK108.  He said you needed 6 to 8 hits, closely spaced, on a wing.  That would cause the wing to fail and send the bomber right down.
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Offline Sancho

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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2002, 04:01:47 PM »
every time i fly a 109 with tater gun, I'm amazed at how easy it is to kill with very few rounds expended.  Me262 with 4 Mk108s slices up buffs "like buttah".  109s take a few more rounds to kill buffs, but fighters go down without too much fuss.  It's tough to get used to the severe drop of the round and low velocity, but for a skilled marksman it is an awesome weapon, IMHO.

Offline lord dolf vader

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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2002, 08:18:02 PM »
i think is more that they used to be one hit kills ( there was a time when 1 or 2 30mm would do in a buff and somtimes a lank but now its rare. but they seem to be more accurate i liked it the old way but sho knows) they change stuff in this game and dont always tell us .

Offline Pongo

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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2002, 09:21:38 PM »
Seems concensus here is that the 108 is still very deadly as it should be.
Next whine please..
move along...nothing to see here.