MK108 totaly underpowered

[Wilbus]

It's deadly yes, as deadly as it should be? No

[GRUNHERZ]

The tail surfaces of bombers especially the lanc and B26 seem especially resistant to AH MK108 fire. They are no bigger than the wings of fighters and should fail with only one or two hits.

If AH gets a B24 it better fail with one or two hits to the tail. USA tests proved this was true!

Also please look at that Blenheim photo and that 5 foot crater in the aft fuselage caused by a single MK108 hit in British testing.

IMHO as one who flew the single MK108 armed 109s in AH as much or more than anyone the MK108 is somewhat underpowered vs bombers, especially tail surfaces. Or those tail surfaces are are modeled specifically to resist 30mm fire.

[Pongo]

Or the bleinhem is much smaller then a lanc or a B17 and there for there is more area to disipate the explosion in a larger airframe cavity.

[lord dolf vader]

pongo look at the goshdamn picture. one 30mm 108 rnd exploding on the tail of any buff we have and 98% chance its goin down or at least 80% loss of manuverablity. imagine this where could you glue a morter round to the surface of  a b 17 tail and detonate it then fly the plane ? none i think.

[lord dolf vader]

b 36 excepted

[Dowding]

So you're saying 30mm shells have the explosive capacity of mortar shells?

Can anyone else get any further from the truth?

[Pongo]

Originally posted by lord dolf vader
pongo look at the goshdamn picture. one 30mm 108 rnd exploding on the tail of any buff we have and 98% chance its goin down or at least 80% loss of manuverablity. imagine this where could you glue a morter round to the surface of  a b 17 tail and detonate it then fly the plane ? none i think.

What picture.
You think that 98% of bombers hit by a single 108 round were destroyed?
What possible statement by either side in WW2 supports that?
Do you know how much bigger even a 50mm mortar round is then a 30mm round?  Hint. The smallest western morter the 60mm has a round that is like 8-12 30mm rounds strapped together.

[Wotan]

I never any problem with the ah 30mm round. I had a lanc eat about 10 once and a temp take 5. They still died though.

Most of my buff kills take about 3-5 depending where I hit him. I have numerous times killed buffs with 1 30mm.

Something i learned from flying il2 though. I never shoot from dead 6. I always go for a deflection shot where I have a greater probrability of hitting something big.

Lancs die , atleast for me, 1 ping to the wing root. I go up and under and fire at d200 or so. b26s are toughest. I head shot b17s mostly.

1 thing I have noticed though that theres sometimes a delay. I'll make a pass get a couple of hits then I pull out and extend then the buff blows up. I wonder if what your seeing is this same delay where 3-5 will kill it but you keep firing ......I dunno.

Ever fly wbs lol how about there 30mm fer ah

[Soda]

Don't shoot at the fuselage with 30mm+.  I've landed hits with the 37mm on the yak to the fuselage of fighters and not had them go down.  I've never seen the same if I land a hit to a wing though, it just breaks off instantly.  Even on bombers, 1-2 hits to a point on the wing is enough to break it off.

-Soda
The Assassins

[Tony Williams]

I've just being doing some more research into original documents, and discovered that towards the end of the war the Luftwaffe was fielding a new kind of ammunition for use against bombers.

It was called the M.44 and consisted of an M-Geschoss with a thicker and stronger shell body (which put up the weight somewhat) intended to penetrate deep within the wings of heavy bombers in order to reach the fuel tanks. Once there, it detonated instantly because it was fitted with a hydrostatic fuze which was triggered by entering a liquid. The shell was mostly filled with incendiary material, but there was enough HE to blow a big hole in the fuel tank lining and distribute the incendiary material.

It was certainly used in 20mm calibre and fighter pilots reported great success. I have put together enough information to suggest that it was developed in 30mm as well, but I don't know if it saw action.

Tony Williams
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[Citabria]

I always find it amusing when I see players looking at the Aces High world through a straw.

like when p38 dweebs say the p38 is porked, the luftwimps complain that the 30mm tater gun is broken, or when someone who knows nothing about aerodynamics says the flight model is porked because a plane with full fuel, ammo and bombs is slower than when its lite.

1. the p38 isnt porked
2. 30mm kicks bellybutton (ask nath and leviathn they tested it)
3. the flight model of AH is awsome



the only thing that somtimes makes hits wierd that ive seen is the internet loosing the packets. then no matter what gun you use it takes way more hits to kill someone under those circumstances. and with HTC's current ISP for the MA it happens quite a bit.





no sniveling, shut up and fly

[M.C.202]

lord dolf vader said:
...imagine this where could you glue a morter round to the surface of a b 17 tail and detonate it then fly the plane ? none i think.
End Quote.

Well, in the sky over South Viet Nam a Goony (well an AC-47) had a mortar round hit and detonate on the wing.
It landed back at the field

[lord dolf vader]

pongo you were right sorry it was a bad example. 108 slug .73lbs
M49A2 HE (60mm mortar) 3.07 lbs ( i guess the propelent is included in the mortar weight) (but more like 4.5 times more even if the propelent is not included)




this is the story i had read about mk108 power/accuracy


"The material is from "Messerschmitt Bf109" by Heinz Nowarra. The test was at theroretical one by ballistics experts at Rheinmetall-Borsig assuming a range of 500m in a rear quarter attack against a stable 4 engine bomber NOT taking evasive action. It was estimated 48 rounds fired would give a 50% chance of the 4 hits required to shoot down the bomber."


found this in a thread" Accuracy test of 30mm" on this board .i thought i remembered it stated 2 hits and didnt realize it was a theoretical gestimate. in retrospect i think the 30 mm have been changed. befor they were way to inacurate but perhaps to powerfull. now they are weaker but more accurate. i.e. closer to real life. i was so wrong i will now go to the doghouse.

[lord dolf vader]

oops just re read the original , i dont jabo so i dont know about it aginast land vehicals.

[MANDOBLE]

Originally posted by Citabria
porked because a plane with full fuel, ammo and bombs is slower than when its lite.

Hey tard, no one said anything about loading bombs.