Author Topic: What's happening in Jenin? (Read 2536 times)

fd ski · « **Reply #90 on:** April 11, 2002, 01:05:25 PM »

Hort:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-263660,00.html

For 6 years of war, thousands of example of German Army brutality have been documented. They were NOT nice folks, OK ?

Hortlund · « **Reply #91 on:** April 11, 2002, 01:17:24 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
ROFL...I surrender...about choked on your "PC" interpretation, very funny.

and I apologize for misinterpreting your wording as if it were supportive of the Nazi's...your not...right?

Of cource I'm not

IMO it is not possible to be supportive of them and have an IQ above 15.

Hortlund · « **Reply #92 on:** April 11, 2002, 01:19:44 PM »

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Originally posted by fd ski
Hort:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,3-263660,00.html

For 6 years of war, thousands of example of German Army brutality have been documented. They were NOT nice folks, OK ?

I know...

In fact..(and this might come as a suprise to you, so please dont take this as critizism to your educational skills) I knew that even before you posted that link.

straffo · « **Reply #93 on:** April 11, 2002, 02:27:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Is Shoa the jewish word for the Holocaust?

I don't know I never spoke nor learn hebrew.

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1. What German officer?
2. The German unit did not have any explosives with them, other than Hand grenades and Panzerfausts.
3. Where do you get these rediculous ideas?

From the 1953 trial.

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No...they were 98..all men. At first the Germans rounded up 120 men in the village, then they let a few go because of their age, 98 was shot. No women were killed by the Germans that day, none were etrepee:d alive. (I have no idea where you get your information from, but it is flawed. And it bears striking resemblance with 1940-50:s propaganda

After your trip to Oradour sur Glane feel free to visit Sainte Sixte you will learn lot of things concerning the behaviour of das reich soldier.
And yes some woman were raped and killed by das reich barbares like they used to do in East Front.

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Yes, prisoners.
No, Im not joking.
Yes they were Waffen SS soldiers.
The Das Reich division did not exist when Belgrade was captured in 1941, back then it was called SS-REICH. And please do tell me what they did. I thought it was the Luftwaffe were the ones who bombed Belgrade to bits.
If you have an unarmed prisoner infront of you, and you shoot him. How can you say that you shot "back"?

I still stand behind my word I would have shot them dead in the instant.

It doesn't apply to the whole wechmacht.

straffo · « **Reply #94 on:** April 11, 2002, 02:44:37 PM »

I've done some research on the web and what I find strange is the fact that all the argument you used were on some neo-nazis page included the error on the date of the Bordeau trial 1953 and not 1957 like you wrote.

Hortlund · « **Reply #95 on:** April 11, 2002, 02:46:34 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
From the 1953 trial.

Sorry...but that just wont cut it. I have read those documents and I dont remember reading what you claim was said. So Ill ask again
1. What German officer?
2. Did the German unit have any explosives with them, other than Hand grenades and Panzerfausts?

Hortlund · « **Reply #96 on:** April 11, 2002, 02:49:56 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo
I've done some research on the web and what I find strange is the fact that all the argument you used were on some neo-nazis page included the error on the date of the Bordeau trial 1953 and not 1957 like you wrote.

Oh really...

Well, did the site say anything about the 99 women that had their stomaches cut open in Tulle?

Answer my questions above.

straffo · « **Reply #97 on:** April 11, 2002, 03:28:11 PM »

it was not in tulle but in Sainte Sixte and it was not 99 woman.

Are you trying disinformation now ?

straffo · « **Reply #98 on:** April 11, 2002, 03:30:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund

Sorry...but that just wont cut it. I have read those documents and I dont remember reading what you claim was said. So Ill ask again
1. What German officer?
2. Did the German unit have any explosives with them, other than Hand grenades and Panzerfausts?

You are saying that you have read more than hundred Kilo of document wrote in a juridic French that less than 1% of the native French can read?

BS

Hortlund · « **Reply #99 on:** April 11, 2002, 03:39:18 PM »

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Originally posted by straffo

You are saying that you have read more than hundred Kilo of document wrote in a juridic French that less than 1% of the native French can read?

BS

Obviously I havent read them in original. And obviously I dont speak french. What I meant was that I have read the sentences, the verdicts, what the "court" decided had happened.

But please, just answer my 2 questions...

-tronski- · « **Reply #100 on:** April 11, 2002, 04:23:51 PM »

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Originally posted by -lynx-
Jeepers - someone's ideas of comparing WW2 resistance to suicide bombers is just obscene:(. "They couldn't physically go to Germany to attack German civilians". Are you saying they would? You're sick minded people.

My point was literally, one mans resistance fighter is another mans murderer. It's all about context.

To the french, the marquis were heroes, to the Germans they were murderers to be exterminated.

ie. A palestinian gunmen is a hero to the palestinian people, but to the Isrealis he's a terrorist. You can replace all these examples with all sorts of groups..the Tamil tigers, IRA etc.

As to the thought that the various resistance groups would somehow have the moral fortitude NOT to target german civilians are kidding themselves. The allies were quite capable of bombing 25,000/50,000/etc etc - the russians raped and murdered their way into Berlin, what would disuade the resistance killing a few boche given the chance especailly given the price the French payed for their activities? The resistance was quite able and willing to settle scores with french collaborators after liberation.

And what else I postulated, that the local resistance cell just wouldn't have the capability to strike German cities (unlike palestinian bombers) is a perfectly reasonable thing.

Tronsky

midnight Target · « **Reply #101 on:** April 11, 2002, 04:53:14 PM »

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My point was literally, one mans resistance fighter is another mans murderer. It's all about context.

To the french, the marquis were heroes, to the Germans they were murderers to be exterminated.

ie. A palestinian gunmen is a hero to the palestinian people, but to the Isrealis he's a terrorist. You can replace all these examples with all sorts of groups..the Tamil tigers, IRA etc.

While true to the extent that SOMEONE will see a terrorist as a freedom fighter, I think this is an over (perhaps under) simplification. I think that in most of these cases reasonable third parties can look at the situation and see a clear difference between terrorist and freedom fighter. Blowing up babies AS A PARTICULAR SOUGHT OUT TARGET is terrorism.......period.

Staga · « **Reply #102 on:** April 11, 2002, 04:57:09 PM »

Could you two continue your conversation by e-mail please?

uups, this was for Hortlund and Straffo...

Hortlund · « **Reply #103 on:** April 12, 2002, 12:42:49 AM »

..OR you could just not open this thread in the future if it bothers you that much?

straffo · « **Reply #104 on:** April 12, 2002, 02:18:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Staga
Could you two continue your conversation by e-mail please?

uups, this was for Hortlund and Straffo...

This conversation is going nowhere I won't post more .

Concerning the 2 question you just have to wait 2053.

I glad you are concerned by what happened to the nazi but don't bother of the civilian.