Lets come up with some peaceful, economic solutions to the Israeli/Palestinian issue

[wsnpr]

Please, some peaceful solutions. No name calling, or kill em all types please.....go start your own thread in this case.

First Israel and the Palestinians recognizes the existence of the other. The rest of the Arab world also recognizes Israel and Palestine.
Israel pulls it's borders back to the pre 1967 Six Day War borders. An 800 meter buffer zone will seperate Palestine and Israel. It will taper off at Jerusalem where it will have joint control by Israel and Palestine. A sizeable UN force will police Jerusalem. A fund from oil sales profits will go towards each Israeli and Palestinian citizen will get $10,000. U.S. @ adult and $5,000. U.S. per minor under 18 yrs of age. Each individual citizen will pledge allegience to a peaceful co-existence with the other. Every nation in the region will give up about 800-1600 meters of land in show of support. Said land will not contain valuable resources such as water, oil, or minerals. By giving up land and allowing slightly shifting borders, said nations would be free from contributing to the above fund. Another fund would be created for Israel and Palestine allowing for hospitals, schools, housing, etc. Call them human rights reparations. Cameras and listening devises would be put along the Israeli/Palestine border and would be monitored by UN personnel.

Sheesh, just saw the time... 2:35 am tired and gotta go get some sleep. I'll try to finish tomorrow.

BTW, anyone that has a better idea, please post your solution in this thread also. (I know my idea is a 'dreamland' type of idea, but it's a start. It sure beats the Hell that's going on there now.)

The following added in:

The world community would help build and operate two state-of-the-art hospitals with the best doctors. One in Israel and the other in Palestine. All Palestinians and Israelis would have full medical insurance coverage paid for by the world community (mainly the industrialised nations and oil-rich nations) both hospitals would have a fleet of identical medivac helicopters.
Also two major universities again one in Israel and the other in Palestine with the best professors. Each Israeli and Palestinian citizen would have to take a class about one hour a week. The class would show the history of each other as a people and of their respective religions. (Strength in information as being ignorant can lead to death and destruction.)
Athletic parks with lights would be built so kids and young adults could play soccer, baseball, basketball, etc. (If they're playing, studying, or working they wouldn't be throwing stones. especially when one removes the hate motive.)
Each side via their respective leaders, will issue a full apology to the other of the deaths suffered by the other...without excuses to the whys. The sensless bloodshed and reasoning behind it has got to stop. Those that have lost family from all the fighting (since 1948) will receive additional compensation. It won't eliminate the pain and suffering the survivors have gone through but would be a good gesture.
The main work force in these construction projects will comprise of Palestinians for Palestinian projects and Israelis for Israeli projects. The unemployment rate will be extremely low. The US will send in support through nonmilitary sources such as the Peace Corps. Other nations would send in support also.
For the first time in over two centuries, both the Israelis and the Palestinians would receive the world support and recognition they both desperately have sought and deserved.

Sheesh, there are many more details but I am in the process of moving now (to a better place- woohoo! )   I hope you all get my drift and from where I come from. Again, I am pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian. How many of you can say the same?
Again it seems too improbable for this to happen but think what is going on now? Think of what has gone on? The world community is paying a lot right now and both the Israeli's and the Palestinian's futures do not look good if things don't change.

Remember this: People don't kill friends. They kill enemies. Suicide bombers don't kill for the sake of killing or petty jealousies. Prevent the hatred and you'll go a long ways towards preventing attacks.

wSNPR

[~Caligula~]

Amazing

[Eagler]

Originally posted by wsnpr
Please, some peaceful solutions. No name calling, or kill em all types please.....go start your own thread in this case.

First Israel and the Palestinians recognizes the existence of the other. The rest of the Arab world also recognizes Israel and Palestine.
Israel pulls it's borders back to the pre 1967 Six Day War borders. An 800 meter buffer zone will seperate Palestine and Israel. It will taper off at Jerusalem where it will have joint control by Israel and Palestine. A sizeable UN force will police Jerusalem. A fund from oil sales profits will go towards each Israeli and Palestinian citizen will get $10,000. U.S. @ adult and $5,000. U.S. per minor under 18 yrs of age. Each individual citizen will pledge allegience to a peaceful co-existence with the other. Every nation in the region will give up about 800-1600 meters of land in show of support. Said land will not contain valuable resources such as water, oil, or minerals. By giving up land and allowing slightly shifting borders, said nations would be free from contributing to the above fund. Another fund would be created for Israel and Palestine allowing for hospitals, schools, housing, etc. Call them human rights reparations. Cameras and listening devises would be put along the Israeli/Palestine border and would be monitored by UN personnel.

Sheesh, just saw the time... 2:35 am tired and gotta go get some sleep. I'll try to finish tomorrow.

BTW, anyone that has a better idea, please post your solution in this thread also. (I know my idea is a 'dreamland' type of idea, but it's a start. It sure beats the Hell that's going on there now.)

Quick! Email this to Powell. Probably better than any idea he has in his briefcase

Great idea but do you think it'd stop the killing? All for the UN police as long as US soldiers are not in the mix ...

[wsnpr]

Great idea but do you think it'd stop the killing? All for the UN police as long as US soldiers are not in the mix ...
Eagler

Most of the killing would stop, not all. Change is never easy and there will always be extremists on both sides not willing to compromise. I would wager though that if a plan similar to what I just submitted above was implimented, the acts of violence would go way down. One would finally see the majority trying to stop its own extremist factions as there would be too much to lose.
Remember former hated enemies are now the best of allies (e.g. The US, England, france, Italy, Spain, Japan, Russia, etc.) so it can happen for Israel and Palestine. BTW, I submit that there will be a lot more killing on both sides if nothing is done. Perhaps the genocide of one side via nuclear, chemical, or biological. Doing nothing almost guarantees that.
The US should not have any military presence at all as we're not trusted by the Arab world. US workers, doctors, teachers, etc-yes, military personnel - no. This would be a very good 'olive branch' symbol to the Arab world.
wSNPR

[Toad]

Who's going to pay the initial cost of your program and then the ongoing costs (IE: hospitals and universities)?

Well, cheerfully and willingly pay the cost, anyway.

[Tac]

"First Israel and the Palestinians recognizes the existence of the other. The rest of the Arab world also recognizes Israel and Palestine. "

*choke* hahahahhahaha. *snork* hahahahahaah

*passes out*

[wsnpr]

If the above plan is implemented, it will then be time for the US to take steps to normalise relations with Iran, Iraq, Cuba, Libya, North Korea, etc. If we can recognise China, we sure as hell can recognise these other nations. Remember that terrorist attacks are the result of hatred and revenge, not jealousy. Remove the reason to hate, you remove the reason to kill.
wSNPR

[wsnpr]

Just curious...
Who's going to pay the initial cost of your program and then the ongoing costs (IE: hospitals and universities)?

Well, cheerfully and willingly pay the cost, anyway.
Toad

 

I would expect the US, England, Japan, Germany, France, China, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, etc., etc. to pay. It's a hell of a lot cheaper than paying billions of dollars anually to anti-terror campaigns that usually have the opposite effect. I kind of enjoy my civil liberties here in the US. I hate having them eroded all in the name of fighting terrorism. I would expect the first 20 years or so of 100% world funding. After this period the Israelis and Palestinians can start contributing. With their own businesses and economy, they should be able to pay for the the maintenance and salaries involved. It could be a stepped plan. After 20 years, the 100% of world support goes to 75%, after 30 years it drops to 50%, etc.

wSNPR

[Curval]

Cost isn't the issue....as Tac points out your first sentance is where your solution falls apart.  Recognise each other...yup, through their respective gunsights maybe...

[wsnpr]

Cost isn't the issue....as Tac points out your first sentance is where your solution falls apart. Recognise each other...yup, through their respective gunsights maybe...
Curval

Curval, You don't think that most Israelis and Palestinians would be happy of a peaceful solution? Just curious, what would be YOUR solution?

wSNPR

[Ripsnort]

(Ripsnort looks at the "Peaceful Solution" the Saudi Arabianss are putting forth, a Telethon raising millions for the "victim" families of suicide bombers...)

Out of ideas here, there's only one solution left when dealing with idiots...and it sounds like this:

I have a suggestion for every "peace nick" out there, lets set up a program and have every young Palestinian male between ages of 10 and 25 spend a week at your house so as to help you understand why peace is not an option  Don't get me wrong, I'd MUCH rather prefer "peace" than war, but THEY do NOT! What part of that DON'T you understand?  They want to kill ALL INFIDELS.  Dammit, you guys just ain't going to figure that out are ya?  I guess the deaths have to occur (9/11) in YOUR family before you figure that out. (shrugs)

[Toad]

These folks are just going to cheerfully ante up the necessary funding? Just write a check?

Iraq funding some hospital in Israel? Jeez-Louise, Saddam is spending money on WMD instead of Iraqi hospitals. China?

It's a nice idea but "optimistic" doesn't really do it justice.

[mietla]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
(They want to kill ALL INFIDELS.  
 

Rip is right, I'm afraid. Our very existence and the culture we've developed bugs the hell out of muslim fanatics who would like to stick to their 6-th century way of life, and force everybody to do the same.

The modern western culture is willing and able to accept all peoples who do not share our views (was not always like that , but it is now), the other guys just can't.

The only thing we can do do satisfy them is to die.

[wsnpr]

(Ripsnort looks at the "Peaceful Solution" the Saudi Arabianss are putting forth, a Telethon raising millions for the "victim" families of suicide bombers...)

Out of ideas here, there's only one solution left when dealing with idiots...and it sounds like this:

I have a suggestion for every "peace nick" out there, lets set up a program and have every young Palestinian male between ages of 10 and 25 spend a week at your house so as to help you understand why peace is not an option  Don't get me wrong, I'd MUCH rather prefer "peace" than war, but THEY do NOT! What part of that DON'T you understand? They want to kill ALL INFIDELS. Dammit, you guys just ain't going to figure that out are ya? I guess the deaths have to occur (9/11) in YOUR family before you figure that out. (shrugs)
Ripsnort

Ripsnort, Who doesn't want peace? Remember these suicide bombings happened way after the illegal occupation of Palestinian land. What part of that do you not get? Despite this latest massive raid by Israel, yet another suicide bomb went off in Jerusalem, killing more innocent civillians. You still don't get it.
So Ripsnort, please show us your great intellect and reasoning skills. WHAT IS YOUR SOLUTION TO THIS ISRAELI/PALESTINIAN SITUATION? If you don't have one, please go to another thread.....or can you not understand requests/instructions?

[Ripsnort]

My solution would be to take all those who seek a peaceful solution (like yourself) round them up and send them to Palestine to "see what you could work out with them".  That would be my solution.

Intellect?  Nope...
Common sense and survival skills?  Damn tootin'!