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Offline DblTrubl

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« on: April 14, 2002, 02:14:32 PM »
In an attempt to refrain from further hijacking of the paddle blade Jug thread I thought I'd move this to a new one.

In that thread Tac said that the P-38L could carry 2,000lb bombs straight from the factory.That's what I always thought too. Maybe I misunderstood Widewings post on this matter from a while back, but I got the impression that the 2Kers had to have those anti-sway braces installed to steady the bombs on the hardpoints. Did the L not require those?

BTW Tac, one of my books shows photos of 38s loaded with 5 bombs and a drop tank or 4 bombs and 2 DTs. Looked like 5x 500lb + a 165 gal. tank or 4x500lb + 2 tanks. Of course the tanks had to be dropped before the bombs. Wish I could post them but I don't have a scanner. Those loads suggest that 6 bombs could be carried if the drop tanks weren't needed. Another book spoke of 38s carrying "unofficial" loadouts of up to 5,200 lbs into combat. 2x 2000lb + 4x 300lb was the load mentioned (no pics). Putting the 2k eggs aside, I'd love to have a 6x500lb loadout for gv hunting or town killing. Does anyone know if this or a similar loadout was used "officially" or with any regularity?

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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2002, 05:04:17 PM »
I believe it was the J's (or F's?) that had a kit to do that.

Can you scan a pic of that? Id love to see it. It probably was a field mod.. the result of an overly stoned mechanic and a 38 jock with insufferable ego ;)

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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2002, 05:12:45 PM »
a p38 with 10 rockets, 6 500lb bombs,4 phasers, and 1 hazooka:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

ultimate gv killer!!:cool:

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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2002, 05:49:59 PM »
+) 'unofficial?'

kewl bring them to AH, and I got some lovely pics of spits carrying much more ord.


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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2002, 07:35:22 PM »
we just want something new for our only p38
if no more models customize

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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2002, 08:21:46 PM »
Tac, I don't have a scanner but I'll see if I can find one to use.

Skurj, a Spitfire carrying "much more" than 5,200lbs(or even 3k)? Sure, I'm all for it. I'd love to see flocks of low, slow spitties struggling to hoist 2 or 3 tons of ord aloft. I'm starting to drool right now just thinking about it. ;)  Go ahead and post those pics. You've made me curious. BTW, my first post wasn't a request for a 5,200lb loadout for the AH P-38. I just thought it was interesting.

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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2002, 11:11:53 PM »
Cc those kits may have been used in the F's or J's to let em carry 2k bombs on the hardpoints.

As far as that unreal load of bombs, that was probably a field mod. Just like the 6X .50 cal 38 mods some pilots used.

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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2002, 11:13:16 PM »
Dbl, i was referring to unofficial ordnance options on spits, not more than any p38 loadout +)

8 rockets, triplex rockets, 6 cannon...


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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2002, 12:17:44 AM »
DOH!!  OK, I get it now. :o  I still like that mental picture I had of a Spit IX with 4 1k eggs slung beneath it though. :D

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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2002, 03:40:30 AM »
OK Tac. I dug a little deeper and found this paragraph regarding droopsnoot operations that sheds some light on the 6 bomb loadout. It's from WarbirdTech Series Volume 2 Lockheed P-38 Lightning by Frederick A. Johnsen ISBN 0-933424-65-5:


Droopsnoot missions frequently were conducted at altitudes between 10,000 and 20,000 feet, at indicated airspeeds between 210 and 270 miles an hour. As reported by the AAF:"Loads have varied with the distance to the target. On missions of 200 to 250 miles, two 500-pound or two 1,000-pound general purpose bombs have been loaded, and some missions carried two 2,000-pound bombs without difficulty. A combination of external tanks and bombs is used when the range of the mission makes it necessary. Additional shackles may be installed to increase the number of bombs that can be carried. It was concluded by the Eighth Air Force that a P-38J, with leading edge tanks, carrying one 1,000-pound bomb and a 300-gallon belly tank, would have a range between 700 and 800 miles, at 20,000 feet and indicating 220 MPH (miles per hour)."


Whew! A lot of typing (for me anyway) for one relevant sentence, but I wanted to put it in context. The source given for the section in quotes is: "Droopsnoot", Evaluation of Air Tactics, Vol.1, No.1, The Army Air Forces Board, 17 Oct 44. So...what I get from this is that yes, adding more bomb shackles was a field mod but not an isolated incident of wild experimentation by a kooky mechanic/ground crew. It's amazing what you can find in a book when you do more than just look at the pictures. ;)

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« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2002, 11:47:29 AM »
yes, and the J's may have loaded the smaller lbs. bombs on the external racks (where the L has the rocket tree).

Pic pic pic pic pic! :)