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Offline Dinger

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« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2001, 11:46:00 AM »
Ok Degas, here's my take:
A. You hit someone's squad night.  Coordinating with those guys is gonna be difficult because there are two text and one voice channel they're using that you're not.  Some squads are happy to have others along; others prefer to work by themselves.
B. Guess what?  Country-level coordination usually ends up being a pretty messy affair.  Whenever you fly these things, you'll have to expect not to get regularly and timely updates.  C47s will arrive at fields where the ack is up; buffs show up at flattened fields, and the rest.
C. Yes, there is elitism here.  Among other things, you have to make a bit of a name for yourself before people start counting on you.  Many new bomber pilots come in, can't hit the broad side of a barn, and leave.  Do well, and the good strat guys will notice.
D. To receive the victory perk points, you have to be on the winning side when the victory occurs, and not to have changed sides in the last twelve hours.
E. The dirty secret is that nobody cares that much about perk points.  Oh, and if you want an Arado, you can get it much faster using your fighter in an air-to-air role.
F. Next time that happens, be sure that at least you salute the enemy.  You might notice you'll shame the others into doing so.  As it was, we were too busy porking their HQs.

Offline Sunchaser

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« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2001, 11:29:00 PM »
Well, this thread was on page 59 of this forum and only 5 months old, proof positive that we talk way too much and are still saying the same things....over and over and over and.........

Deja Vu?

(PS, DJV, not a request for a response.)

Offline Wotan

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« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2001, 01:52:00 AM »
I used to spend much time hunting buffs and killing them.

Its boring a waste of time the dweeb keeps coming and coming hell me and a swuaddie shot the same 2 lancs ib 48 earlier tonight 6 times. They nevr made to 48 a p47 ended jaboing the vh before ag could kill him. Then the 2 lanc jokers showed up in spits to deack it they got most but I killed umm both.

They then came back in a spit and a goon and I killed umm again.

This story proves to me the value of buffs to base capture NONE,,,,,,,

The only time they make it is when everyone else is having fun furballin to waste there time runnin umm down. So they come in and with laser accurracy kill the fhs and fly off. Thats when the someone gets mad and kills umm. WOW what fun...........

Offline Pepe

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« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2001, 03:43:00 AM »
Sunchaser,

We are forced to say the same things, since no action is taken, and the dead horse corpse is still in the same place, smelling worse than ever.

You can say what you want, but definitely there is no way a silled fighter pilot kills a skilled buff pilot above 30k, if buff pilot is aware of figher's presence.

You can say what you want but bobmsight, as we currently have, has the triple merit of detracting the skill factor on the bombrun, on the navigation to have a good lining and allowing jinking and pinpointing (even "big" AAA sites) each and every target individually from any altitude.

You can say what you want, but runway damage model has the merit of ruining the buff ability to disable a runway by filling it with craters (IMHO, a more realistic approach to base damaging).

You can say what you want but cross-country planes, able to take off not only out of the runway but from rough surfaces nearly everywhere diminish the importance of tarmac to a minimum.

You can say what you want but buff guns firing through own's solid surfaces is still not fixed, and this is not a gameplay concession, but a bug. Same with buff guns' firing arches.

You can say what you want but, as it is today, buffs are skill-less mobile ack platforms when under 28k. Over that level are simply gamey dweebs' vehicles.

Sorry for the bitter tone of the post but, yes, you guessed it, buffs are ruining my dayly addiction. Pity is that I loved Buff flying when that required some skills. Loved map usage (Remember when you have to fly a certain course during a certain time, make the right turns at the right places to get a good lining on your target? Remember when you had to study maps to have the best way to get to your target, avoiding enemy airfields without ruining your IP?). Yeah, I loved Buff simulation. But that's something we don't have in here, and I'm sad about it. AH is a great, an awesome sim/game. But the buff department is lagging apparatously behind.

Cheers, from another Buff aficionado.

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Offline Naudet

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« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2001, 03:59:00 AM »
LOL this thread really makes me laugh.

The only thing i wonder aout is how Dinger gets so many kills with a JU88??

When a fighter comes within gun range even 40-50 pings wont do much to him.

And as a fighter jockey i say: Besides the C47 the Ju88 is easiest to kill. Even approaching from dead 6.

Offline Karnak

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« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2001, 04:54:00 AM »
I got 4 kills in one mission in a Ju88. 2 N1K2s, 1 Fw190 and 1 La-7.  :D

The second N1K2 got me as well though.  :(
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Offline Westy MOL

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« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2001, 08:00:00 AM »
"Then get in your pretty little fighter plane and shoot the damned thing down."

  And I do just that. And very well I might add.

  Every time I see a bomber I put it at a higher priority than any other enemy plane in the area. The only time I die to one, these days, is when I make a "get to that bomber no matter what" effort in order to at least get the bomber about to drop. Even if it means flying just above stall speed while climbing up on it's "6"

 It's not the guns or the FM. I find bombers easy as it is so if folks find the FM or guns hard to deal with then they need more practice. It's the ludicrously simplistic bombardier functions that allow any Day One dweeb to up in a bomber, get to 20k and put the cross hairs on HQ or the FH's at some base.  It would be the same as having all the fighters in AH come 10X "hit bubbles" so all one would have to do is pull the trigger for a guaranteed kill on any fighter in you view.

 Westy

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« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2001, 08:41:00 AM »
"I used to spend much time hunting buffs and killing them.

Its boring a waste of time the dweeb keeps coming and coming hell me and a swuaddie shot the same 2 lancs ib 48 earlier tonight 6 times. They nevr made to 48 a p47 ended jaboing the vh before ag could kill him. Then the 2 lanc jokers showed up in spits to deack it they got most but I killed umm both.

They then came back in a spit and a goon and I killed umm again.

This story proves to me the value of buffs to base capture NONE,,,,,,,

The only time they make it is when everyone else is having fun furballin to waste there time runnin umm down. So they come in and with laser accurracy kill the fhs and fly off. Thats when the someone gets mad and kills umm. WOW what fun..........."

Yep... the raw truth.   Also read westy...  they have too much effect for the pitifull amount of effort (being bored for 20-30 minutes is not effort)  and skill they put in.  Like having a "hit bubble" 10 times the size of the plane for fighters.

Face it... it's dumb and wrong and no fun for any but a couple of guys... It was changed once but lone, lumbering no talent buffers can still kill a cv battle... Can you believe how dumb that is!   it will get changed and soon... watch.
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« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2001, 12:04:00 PM »
Has anyone actually given light to the fact that the game isn't finished yet? Things will change for the better sooner or later.

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« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2001, 02:34:00 PM »
sling.. u should man a bomber and kill all my fighter hangers in knitland... I'm sure that would teach me a valuble lesson and disprove my point about buffs having too much affect for how little effort is required.  

Looking at all the devestation that I have brought on my beloved knitland will probly change my mind... give it a shot.
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« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2001, 04:33:00 PM »
one other thing I haven't said anything about skill in a buff because it takes none

1. Auto-takeoff
2. slight course adjustment.
3. auto-climb
4. take a nap
5. wake up take a dump check course
6. push a button 4 times
7. turn around
8. go back to bed
9. wake up fix some food land

its not even a bad thing getting shot down unless you need the second nap real bad.

Skill .........bs

Offline ygsmilo

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« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2001, 05:00:00 PM »
Sunchaser-------Trolling--------Good One!!!!

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« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2001, 05:17:00 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by lazs1:
sling.. u should man a bomber and kill all my fighter hangers in knitland... I'm sure that would teach me a valuble lesson and disprove my point about buffs having too much affect for how little effort is required.  

Looking at all the devestation that I have brought on my beloved knitland will probly change my mind... give it a shot.
lazs

Maybe you should check the dates on these threads lazs....but pull the hook outta yer mouth first would ya?   ;)

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« Reply #43 on: September 25, 2001, 05:39:00 PM »
Lasz is a rook


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Offline Pepe

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« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2001, 01:59:00 AM »
Skurj is a sheep

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