Author Topic: Low, slow, and a N1k2 on your 6 (Read 487 times)

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #15 on:** April 21, 2002, 01:35:41 AM »

If the plane behind is closing... you don't stand much of a chance no matter what it is. Your only hope is the guy can't shoot to save his life.

For the most part... you are toast in that situation no matter what is behind you. You can hope it won't hang through your siscors... or be able to hit your rolls... but all you can really do is hope.

AKDejaVu

Wilbus · « **Reply #16 on:** April 21, 2002, 04:28:03 AM »

N1K2 has some unbelievable low speed handeling.

Was flying it in the CT last night, Pepe came in in his P51B, being chased bu Wotans Niki allready I dove on him but he was much too fast, he then started climbing up and from 2.5k I closed to 1.2 in about 30 seconds, then, although he must have had atleast 50Mph higher speed in the beginning he zoomed up, I follow, when he flipped over on the top I still had 150mph or speed and filled him with 20mm. Kept going up till speed fell off to 0, plane flipped over by it self and I got control of it again about a second later.

If nothing else, this plane is spin proof and has got the best E retation and low speed handeling in the game. 40mph going straight up you can still aim well, don't even think the Zeke can do that.

Btw, nothing to do in such a situation

Karnak · « **Reply #17 on:** April 21, 2002, 02:06:42 PM »

The fact that it was an N1K2 wasn't important to my statement. many aircraft are optimized to be the agressor in that situation.

The F4U-1 is screwed if any of the aircraft optimized for that were there. Things like the Bf109F-4, Spitfire, Hurricane, Yak, La-5/7, FM-2, P-38, A6M, Ki-61, C.202/5 or N1K2.

If the aircraft is not optimized for that situation you're only slightly less screwed.

Any semi-decently flown fighter will whack you in that position.

jbroey3 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 21, 2002, 03:32:42 PM »

Hate to say this, but regardless of "what plane" being behind you at this stage of the game(given both pilots are of equal skill) will most surely kill you.

I think this has everything to do with the fact that the damage model/hit bubble (if something to that effect still exists here) is too easy to be damaged by the aggressor.

There have been many .. MANY times that I can be saddled up on someone (here) and get a short snap, with just 4 50s and the wing/tail/nose/gears etc... are just sawed off.

I do not know whether the damage to the planes is too easy(meaning 1 hit is = to 10) or if the ammo here is extra deadly.

Im sorry but, rounds of ammo(7.7mm/50cal) do not instantly chop pieces of the plane in half.

This may all have to do with the 0 or 1 damage that appears to be the case.

How many times have you been flying along and get hit... and suddenly.. your (ENTIRE aileron) is missing? Or for that matter your entire anything.....?

Id bet to say that there is no in between.. or an inbetween of the inbetween here(damage model). It is on or off seemingly.

Anyway, others may already have noticed this.

Sikboy · « **Reply #19 on:** April 21, 2002, 05:42:07 PM »

You might want to figure this out offline but.... get to a predetermined alt via a 0g dive, or a screeming climb (alt determined via offline testing). Invert, kill throttle, drop gear (how fast can hog gear hold up at? pretty fast if I recall) and spit S, pulling out at 2 feet alt. Hope that they Auger. That's all I can think of. Good luck. Oh, and don't forget to compute for trees lol.

-Sikboy

SKurj · « **Reply #20 on:** April 21, 2002, 06:20:05 PM »

I can get d200 behind a fighter and if he jinks well I will lose all my ammo tryin to take im down

I know i suck +)

SKurj

Viper17 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 21, 2002, 08:17:16 PM »

STOP ALL YOUR squeakING ABOUT THAT FRIKKEN PLANE!!! IT HAS GOOD AND BAD POINTS JUST LIKE ALL OF EM!!!:mad:

thrila · « **Reply #22 on:** April 21, 2002, 08:23:51 PM »

Did you even read any of the replies, viper?

Viper17 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 21, 2002, 09:16:49 PM »

Im an idiot.

im foolish and dumb:( why i said those things was off the top of my head and i just clicked reply.

sorry all

Swager · « **Reply #24 on:** April 21, 2002, 10:09:43 PM »

Sounds like you are screwed there. I've gotten out of worst positions, but very rarely. If the enemy pilot is even semi skilled, you are kinda dead!

I hate that feelin!

fdiron · « **Reply #25 on:** April 22, 2002, 06:30:33 AM »

Hahaha Viper you are insane...

Dawvgrid · « **Reply #26 on:** April 22, 2002, 06:46:12 AM »

I`ll try to go reaaal low and hopes he augers or hit a tree;)

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #27 on:** April 22, 2002, 08:09:58 AM »

fdiron, in the situation you described, you already survived too much

Normally you would be dead with the N1K2 at 600 yards. And these guns need only one or two lucky pings to break your F4U.

Pepe · « **Reply #28 on:** April 22, 2002, 11:52:45 AM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
N1K2 has some unbelievable low speed handeling.

... Was flying it in the CT last night, Pepe came in in his P51B, being chased bu Wotans Niki allready I dove on him but he was much too fast, he then started climbing up and from 2.5k I closed to 1.2 in about 30 seconds, then, although he must have had atleast 50Mph higher speed in the beginning he zoomed up, I follow, when he flipped over on the top I still had 150mph or speed and filled him with 20mm. Kept going up till speed fell off to 0, plane flipped over by it self and I got control of it again about a second later.
...

Just to put things in perspective, I was doing over 400 kts., and was opening gap fast, flying horizontal. I usually hate leaving a fite, and this (Wotan & Wilbuz N1K2's vs. Buzz and Me, P47-D11 and Pony-B) was being (and it was from start to end) a very nice one. So I thought I had a chance with a rope..... climbed using trim tabs, trying to avoid e-loss. I know Pony is not the best zoom-climber, but still....

If my memory suits me well, I had something like 2.4k horizontal separation (please Wil, correct me if I'm wrong) when I started the zoom. Wilbuz was not cutting my climb (as far as I could tell), he was on my low 6 most of the time I checked. I let the pony go up until it started to flip due to lack of speed...

He then proceeded to get my pony rid of all excessive weight...you know, elevs, wings, tail...that kind of stuff.....after that, he still had 150 kts. of speed in his pocket...

So, I know, I could have run forever and land without a scratch....still, N1K2 has absolute awsome E-retention.

Cheers (and, Wil & Wotan, thks for the fite, very nice)

F4UDOA · « **Reply #29 on:** April 22, 2002, 12:58:24 PM »

Mandoble hit it right on the nose. One or two pings by the NIK2 in AH is enough to destroy an F4U in AH. In real life F4U's have survived and returned to their carriers with 40+ 20Mill holes from NIK2-J's. IMHO the damage model in AH needs a little attention but that's another story.

In any case what to do??

1. In AH the F4U-1 carries roughly 40% more internal fuel than the F4U-1D. Meaning that if you take off with 50% fuel in the F4U-1 it is the same as 80% in the F4U-1D and 25% puts you in the 40% of the F4U-1D's capacity. In other words if you up with 75% fuel in the F4U-1 you better go for a jog before you consider dogfighting a NIK2. So don't leave the base with more than 50% if you plan on seeing action anytime soon. I have gotten in the habit of upping with 50% climbing to alt and throttling back to 30inches of MAP. and conserving fuel for combat.

2. With a relatively low fuel state the F4U-1 can turn with a NIK2-J for a couple of turns depending on the fuel state of the NIK2. Obviously this will get you killed more often than not but if you got help on the way you just might make it. Note: I have the up trim key mapped on my stick to get the best out of my turns. I highly reccomend it. And on the offensive using Lag Pursuit it is virtually impossible for the NIK2 to escape you.

3. If you can get your speed over 300MPH there is no way a NIK2 can roll with you. You should be able to distance yourself quite quickly then.

Finally I will say one thing that was told to me by a real life F15 jock at Aircombat USA. He trained International pilots ACM and he told me before my Dogfight the same thing he said he told them. It was quite simple really. He said "Don't give up", even when it hurts don't give up. Obviously in AH G forces don't hurt you and the penalty for giving up isn't death (And by the way G-force do hurt. It was like having the worst hangover I ever had. Screwed me up for two day's). The idea is the same however in the F4U vs NIK2 senario. You know the NIK2 dweeb is licking his chops so do what ever you can to ruin his day. Hard scissors, run to ack, run to friendlies, drop gear and flaps whatever just don't give up. Otherwise all we will have is NIK2's and Spit's. Yuck!!!