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Offline fdiron

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Low, slow, and a N1k2 on your 6
« on: April 20, 2002, 09:57:35 PM »
Is there any possible way to survive if you are in a F4U-1 on the deck, airspeed 200ias, and a N1k2 400 yards behind you?  I was confronted with this situation today.  I figured my only way to survive was to drop flaps, gear, and pray to god that he would overshoot me.  Well he filled me full of 20mm and I exploded.  Is there any way to survive a situation like this?
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Offline Tac

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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2002, 10:05:27 PM »
nope.
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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2002, 10:09:59 PM »
In that situation your survival depends entirely on the inadequacy of your attacker.
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2002, 10:15:39 PM »
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Is there any possible way to survive if you are in a F4U-1 on the deck, airspeed 200ias, and a N1k2 400 yards behind you?


The only way I've ever survived such a situation was to make sure I had a squadmate 500 yards behind me.
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Offline Fariz

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« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2002, 10:24:48 PM »
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In that situation your survival depends entirely on the inadequacy of your attacker.


Absolutly. It depends on who attacks you. But, actually, chances are few.

Yes, full flaps and sliding roll, if he is not competent he can overshoot. Problem is that it is not easy to get him even after overshoot, because he most likely will turn after it, and you has no energy to follow or run.

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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2002, 10:28:55 PM »
Depends on how fast the niki is and how long you want to survive. If he is very fast you can evadev for a little bit, hopefully long enough for friendlies to show up. But Karnak is right unless he is absolutely stupid he will eventually kill you.
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Offline ra

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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2002, 10:29:02 PM »
I guess you all haven't heard:  it's not the plane it's the piiiiiiiiilot!  :rolleyes:

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Offline Sandman

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« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2002, 10:30:45 PM »
Think it was Robert Shaw that said it.

"You can do everything right when you're defensive and still die."
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Offline Puck

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« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2002, 10:40:41 PM »
...and it was Joe "Hoser" Satrapa who said:

"Figher pilots are always on the offensive.  A bogey on your '6' is in a very good defensive position"

Low and slow in an F4U with a N1K in a very good defensive positon.  Steps:

1.) Note to self: This is why they always say 'keep your airspeed up, watch your energy levels'

2.) Drop everything, sideslip, pull negative g, jink, ride the stall horn until it squeals like a...well...hog.

3.) Reach down under your seat

4.) Kiss your butt goodbye.

Even if he misses that first pass he's probibly got enough energy to try again...and again...and again.

I compressed my P38 today and augered.  Haven't done that in a while.  The good news is mistakes only count against your score; cheap way to learn.
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Offline fdiron

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« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2002, 10:58:27 PM »
I think even if the N1K2 had overshot me, my Corsair would have been so low on airspeed that he would have definately got me on my next pass.  Perhaps if I had been flying an F4U-1c I could have gotten a lucky shot off if had overshot me.
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Offline Yeager

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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2002, 11:48:31 PM »
Take my advice, bail out and hit "o" rather quickly.  

Its your only hope.
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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2002, 12:00:32 AM »
I'm curious.. is there any plane that you could survive in on the deck at 200 IAS with any other plane 400 yards behind you?

Maybe a B-17 or B-26... but all others and you're pretty much screwed.

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Offline fdiron

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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2002, 12:14:32 AM »
La7- could out accelerate other aircraft
A6M- Could out turn other aircraft
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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2002, 12:17:33 AM »
I have survived that and worse DJ, it really depends about who is behind you and what they are flying.  All other things being equal you are more likely to die if a chog is 400yds behind you than if a 109 is.
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Offline ZeroPing

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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2002, 12:31:49 AM »
I know about a spit.. Get em in a sissor fight... always works for me... (mostly)
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