POLL: How many of you want the buffs changed?

[air_guard]

Buff are easy to kill if u get the right alt and angle np  
dont want them changed its difficult to surive in them as it is.


AG

[funked]

Guns and bomb sight should be done realistically instead of "boosted for gameplay".  Model them more accurately and find another way to balance "gameplay".

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[Fidd]

Odd. 617 achieved an *average* error of 94 yards dropping 12000lb blast bombs from 10,000 ft, which would suggest a drift of 600ft or 200 yards! (according to USAF figures)

Maybe USAF just never expected to hit anything accuratly?

Fidd
(tongue in cheek)
figures taken from "The Dam busters" by Paul Brickhill.

(tongue in cheek)


 

Originally posted by Beltfedd:
On another note, I heard on the Discovery Channel that the US Air Force expects up to 6' of deviation due to turbulence/wind for every 1000 feet alt on dumb bombs.  


Belt

[Exile]

I'd like to see a more realistic modelling of buffs and bombing in general.

If bombing was more realistic (i.e. no high alt pinpoint accuracy), this means that a group wanting to capture a base or destroy a strategic target should have to commit a fair amount of resources to accomplish the task. If you want utilize the advantages of heavy bombers (bringing an enormous amount of ordinance to the target), you should have to pay the price of having to protect these bombers so they make it to target. A group of bombers should be easy pickins for a group of determined fighters and a lone buff should be considered nothing short of a suicide run.

As it is now, I rarely engage a buff unless I'm just plain bored and can not find a fighter nearby.

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[Jebo44]

Exile,

I understand your point your trying to make, but is that practical for this game? Besides me and my squaddies and Jackal and DaJoker ther are the few that do organized heavy bomber missions.At least for the Knights. Getting fifteen people at one base is a pain much less trying to get them all in the same bomber and formed correctly. And if you do manage to get that done you still have only two or three fighters for escort. And this is normally when you set up a mission.

Now I think the most likely solution is to increase the number of targets that can be hit is the best option for the bombing. Now when we change the high altitude bombing results, IE drift and drag variances due to alt, everyone will complain when someone figures out what the new pattern. This is a game and it can not simulate real life conditions under these guidelines. Sooner or later it will follow a pattern and that pattern will be found and exploited.

As far as the gunning goes, some bomber pilots know how to gun and some don't. Same applies to the fighters attacking the bombers. Some can do it some can't. Now if we want to be as realistic as possible then allow the bombers to use the guns when they are on the ground. In a real life situation a B17 could fire while rolling down the runway. That function is turned off to help out the vulcher dweebs.

[Sturm]

Keep the buffs the way they are, but make the bombing somewhat harder then it is.  Either wind drag something for the bombs, or make the site not as accurate.  At any rate they are fine and so are the fighters, just teh bombing needs to be changed.

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JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
"The soup nazi"

[BUG_EAF322]

i might have whined sometimes but it's perfectly balanced now yes thos guns are a bit...
but u have to evade be fast and shoot at the right time on them as for the bombers it's impossible to have an accurate bombsight think off B17II u won't have the time in MA alone for that. Unless u perfectly organize i big bombergroup but that is an utopia.

it's all a question off the learning curve and how far u are in it.

bombers hardly kill me anymore i say it's hard enough for both partys this way it is now.
As for my stat   :

P38 vs Buff

B17 : 8-10
B26 : 1-12 dough my stats say 0-12
Ju88 : 0-4
lanc: 3-11
TBM: 0-11
overall My(lovely) P38 vs bombers is 12-48

the P38 is a good buffhunter maybe the best one in the whole MA(none perked)
do i need to whine ... hell no  

[BUG_EAF322]

and i think most off the whines just take the wrong plane against buffs for instance a nik or a spit wich perform badly at higher alt.

planes like the Ta -152 and P38 manouvre much better there and have the adequate power to intercept and bouncing.

[wolf37]

this is so funny and nothing more then a joke. everybody wants the guns to be more realistic, and the bombs to be more reralistic, and the bomb sight to be more realistic. BUT who wants the plane to be more realistic. only two bombers in WWII flew at 30k, and those where the two B29's that dropped the atomic bombs. but in acs high, how many pilots are trying to get into the space program.

15K was about as high as the bombers in WWII flew at.

wolf37

[Karnak]

 

Originally posted by wolf37:
15K was about as high as the bombers in WWII flew at.

B-17s flew at 25,000 to 28,000ft.
Lancasters flew at 20,000ft.

The Germans had a bomber that flew at more than 50,000ft.

Where the heck did ya get 15,000ft?

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[wolf37]

I got the 15K from the book sitting here beside me on WWII aircraft. where did you get the german bomber that could fly at 50K from, seeing as the germans had no long range bombers, only short range and medium range bombers.

wolf37

[brady]

 A

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[bowser]

B.

Reduce gun lethality or force them somehow to fly historically.  Which means no more turning like a friggin' fighter.

bowser

[Revvin]

Every book I have on my bookshelf gives operational alt for the B17 was between 25-28k and a maximum alt of 35,000ft but I believe this is an unloaded ceiling. One of these books is written specifically on the B17 by Janes. My missus also bought me a nice video on the B17 for Easter and one of the pilots says quite clearly he flew at this altitude. The service ceiling for the Lancaster was 24,000ft.

[Hooligan]

B

And change the arena design to make realstic buffs viable and useful.

Hooligan