Author Topic: my wife laughed as I stared in confusion! (Read 368 times)

milnko · « **on:** April 23, 2002, 08:44:54 PM »

I went to the air museum in Tillimook, Oregon last weekend and when I saw this Bf109 I couldn't figure out what model it was.

I knew it wasn't a "E" or an "F" and it's certainly not a "G"

I ended up grabbing a Planes of the Luftwaffe book, an searching the 109s til I finally found it.

milnko · « **Reply #1 on:** April 23, 2002, 08:46:40 PM »

Slightly different angle

Staga · « **Reply #2 on:** April 23, 2002, 09:06:20 PM »

buchon

Rokkit · « **Reply #3 on:** April 23, 2002, 09:39:20 PM »

It's the Spanish-built licensed version, the HA-1109 I think. Merlin engined. THey used these in the late '60s movie, Battle of Britain.

Rocket
AH CPID Rokkit

LLv34_Camouflage · « **Reply #4 on:** April 23, 2002, 10:56:11 PM »

There's a Buchon in Kalamazoo, MI, as well:

Thats basically a 109G with a Merlin engine. Interestingly, the Buchons were built until the 60's, but the cockpit canopy seems to be of the mid-109G-type: it has the head armour plate replaced with the armoured glass (Galland hood), but no late war "Erla Haube".

More info on the Buchon here: http://www.aviation.nmstc.ca/Eng/Collection/sd072e.htm

Looking at the plane that picture of yours, I would assume this is the same case.

Camo

brady · « **Reply #5 on:** April 24, 2002, 12:26:24 AM »

I have been to the Tilamook museum a bunch of time's it is prety impresive, have you seen the one in McMinvill yet?

capt. apathy · « **Reply #6 on:** April 24, 2002, 07:10:57 AM »

i think i'm headed to mcminville this sat.
was going to wait for the NW mini-con that was getting together in the o'club but it doesn't look like it's going to pan out.

TheOxman · « **Reply #7 on:** April 24, 2002, 07:16:19 AM »

how can u tell it's not a E or F or G model?

Staga · « **Reply #8 on:** April 24, 2002, 07:23:37 AM »

Because it's not Bf-109 at all (IMHO).

TheOxman · « **Reply #9 on:** April 24, 2002, 07:34:31 AM »

Gee thanks:(

Sikboy · « **Reply #10 on:** April 24, 2002, 07:51:59 AM »

Ox, look at where the exhaust ports sit. They are way to high to be an inverted V engine. Look at the German 109s, and the Hein, and you'll notice that the exhaust ports are lower than on the Mustang, Spit, or any of the Allison equipt planes.

-Sikboy

gofaster · « **Reply #11 on:** April 24, 2002, 09:52:16 AM »

That's a Spanish-built CASA fighter built by taking the 109 fuselage and marrying it to the Rolls Royce Merlin engine. The reason why the Daimler engine wasn't used was because none were available (apparently the Messerschmitt 109 production license extended to the frame, but not the powerplant).

Czechoslovakia also had a license to manufacture 109s, and some of these found their way to Israel during the Israel-Egypt conflict after WW2. On some models, the fat-paddle blade was used for the propeller, and I've read reports that said that it was a dog of an airplane to fly. The Daimler engine rotated in one direction (counter-clockwise?) so the airframe was designed with weights off-set to counteract the torque from the Daimler engine, but when the Rolls Royce engine was used, it rotated in the opposite direction (clockwise?) which wrecked havoc with the weight distribution and flight characteristics of the aircraft.

So, yes, its a 109, but only past the engine mounts.

superpug1 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 24, 2002, 04:48:56 PM »

Theres a guy where I live that has one. It just sits in that hanger with knowone to look after it.