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HFMudd · « **Reply #30 on:** April 26, 2002, 05:23:22 PM »

The Germans did the same thing with the number of Russian tanks and infantry. I don't remember the actual numbers at all but even after having, by their (the German's) calculations, destroyed every Russian tank two and three times over, they *still* would assume that the Russians were now running out.

I would imagine it is just the nature of things when you have to report to a superior you fear or because you can't accept being wrong. Heck, here in the US, each and everyday decisions are made based on the numbers some nose-bleed-level-manager *wants* to hear rather than the actual costs.

Aub · « **Reply #31 on:** April 26, 2002, 05:29:22 PM »

Of course, the Russians DID seem to have another 100 million troops to use...

Aub

Nashwan · « **Reply #32 on:** April 26, 2002, 11:46:12 PM »

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I have a question as regards the BoB though. I'm assuming that the 3,500 includes aircraft destroyed on the ground does it not? If so, one can easily imagine that number being greatly inflated. Do you happen to know how many of the 3,500 claims are from those destroyed on the ground vs. in the air and how close those two numbers come to reality if taken independantly?

I don't think the Germans claimed aircraft destroyed on the ground, but the numbers were small anyway.

Less than 20 Spits or Hurricanes were destroyed on the ground, although some costal command and bomber command aircraft should be added to that. Probably less than 100 in total though.

Nath[BDP] · « **Reply #33 on:** April 26, 2002, 11:54:20 PM »

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lazs2 · « **Reply #34 on:** April 27, 2002, 09:17:04 AM »

"You'll hear a lot of Luftwaffe fans praise Hans-Joachim Marsaille as quite possibly the best fighter pilot ever. He was undeniably very, very good and possibly was the best. However, his kill total is significantly less that he claimed. Cross referencing his claims with British records reveals that he sometimes claimed more kills in a fight than the British had aircraft in the area. This takes nothing away from him, I doubt he over claimed intentionally, but it does show that over claiming happened to all sides. "

Yep.. he claimed kills with as little as 2 rounds of 7.62 ammo on planes that weren't even up that day.

Saki claimed a fight with 6 Hellcat pilots that lasted for an hour or more. No Hellcats were anywhere near the area this "happened".

even the "blond knight of germany" claimed 3 mustang kills on a day when no mustangs were in the area. In fact, no mustangs were lost in aerial combat with fighters that day.

we don't even want to look at the claims of U.S. gunners on 4 engined bombers.
lazs

wklink · « **Reply #35 on:** April 27, 2002, 12:27:07 PM »

Purdy, now we need a Japanese looking carrier for the plane.

Looks like the movie 'Pearl harbor' there with Japanese planes flying by an obviously US carrier.

Wanker · « **Reply #36 on:** April 29, 2002, 08:56:58 AM »

Now, all we need is a B5N and a D3A for that pretty Zeke to escort.

Oh yeah, and an SBD-5 would round out the American side of a Midway Naval planeset.

If we get just those three crates, we can run scenarios of Coral Sea, Midway, even Pearl Harbor. Then there's the myriad of TOD's that can use those, and the CT guys would probably find them useful as well.

The only bad thing about those early war planes is that they won't stand much of a chance in the MA.

Sikboy · « **Reply #37 on:** April 29, 2002, 09:12:33 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2

Saki claimed a fight with 6 Hellcat pilots that lasted for an hour or more. No Hellcats were anywhere near the area this "happened".

Didn't Sakai also lose an eye when he dove on a "Wildcat" that turned out to be an Avenger with a tailgunner? Things are confusing at 400mph

-Sikboy

HFMudd · « **Reply #38 on:** April 29, 2002, 09:28:27 AM »

Hmmm, I thought he lost the eye by closing up on a small group of SBD's from behind and below only to find that once he got close they were really Avengers.

Sikboy · « **Reply #39 on:** April 29, 2002, 09:31:53 AM »

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Originally posted by HFMudd
Hmmm, I thought he lost the eye by closing up on a small group of SBD's from behind and below only to find that once he got close they were really Avengers.

That could be what I'm thinking of. Thanks

-Sikboy

Wanker · « **Reply #40 on:** April 29, 2002, 11:00:59 AM »

Actually guys, it was a flight of TBF Avengers that he closed up on. He mistook the Avengers for Wildcats, and the rear gunners hosed his Zero up pretty good. It's amazing he was able to get back to base considering his injuries.

Sikboy · « **Reply #41 on:** April 29, 2002, 11:29:53 AM »

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Actually guys, it was a flight of TBF Avengers that he closed up on. He mistook the Avengers for Wildcats, and the rear gunners hosed his Zero up pretty good. It's amazing he was able to get back to base considering his injuries.

That's what I said the first time lol.

-Sikboy

Tracer-15 · « **Reply #42 on:** April 29, 2002, 03:30:24 PM »

IJA and fixed gear would most likely make the flying tigers opponents Ki-27's

-ammo- · « **Reply #43 on:** April 29, 2002, 04:42:20 PM »

They were "nates", at least that was the allied code name for them.

Missile · « **Reply #44 on:** April 29, 2002, 09:31:26 PM »

To the person (I think it was wklink) who asked about the Japanese carriers in "Pearl Harbor", you are correct.... It was an American carrier that played the part. It was the Lexington (Lady Lex or Blue Ghost) that played the part. She is on display in Corpus Christi and there were a lot of people that were mad that she had to play the part of a Japanese carrier. FYI, The Lady Lex also played the part of the Hornet, and the B-25s did take off from her deck. (They were put there with a crane.)

Hope this helps.

Missile:D